Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Daddy Long Legs (musician)

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was keep per unanimity of respondents (non-admin closure). The possibility of merging/redirecting is left open to editors of the article. Skomorokh 01:10, 22 April 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Daddy Long Legs (musician)

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This musician seems to fail WP:BIO. PROD was contested with comment: "This man co-founded the notable 90's alternative band "The Blood Hound Gang" and deserves a page here." While Bloodhound Gang is notable (4 albums on indy labels, just about passes the criteria), this does not make each member notable. It also seems that there's no real independent coverage of the person's biography, making it hard to write a neutral article. B. Wolterding (talk) 10:05, 16 April 2008 (UTC)

• Note: This debate has been included in the list of Bands and musicians-related deletion discussions. -- BelovedFreak 12:07, 16 April 2008 (UTC)
• Keep. I'm not exactly crazy about this performer's notability, but if you grant that Bloodhound Gang is notable (and I agree) then he absolutely meets the musicians' notability guideline criterion 6 (former/subsequent member of a notable band). This is one the very few exceptions to the "no inherited notability" policy. Xymmax (talk) 13:19, 16 April 2008 (UTC)
  • I think this is a misunderstanding - note the italicized sentence in WP:MUSIC#Criteria for musicians and ensembles, below the list of criteria: Members of notable bands are not given individual articles unless they have demonstrated notability for activity independent of the band. --B. Wolterding (talk) 13:23, 16 April 2008 (UTC)

Ah, there's the rub. The only way I've been able to reconcile those two statements is to read "notability" in the part you quoted as meaing "something worth writing about apart from the band" rather than notability Otherwise, criterion 6 would be a nullity. To put it another way, given your interpretation of the section, can you provide an examaple of when would someone meet criterion 6 without meeting one of the other WP:MUSIC guidelines? Xymmax (talk) 14:20, 16 April 2008 (UTC)

The German punk band Soilent Grün does not satisfy the other criteria, but satisfies #6 since some of their members later founded the notable band Die Ärzte. However, there's so little verifiable information about this band that it is actually described in a subsection of Die Ärzte, as #6 suggests. --B. Wolterding (talk) 14:47, 16 April 2008 (UTC)

Well, your reasoning is impeccable. I bow to your rhetorical powers. I'll endorse a merge/redirect of the manner you just cited. Xymmax (talk) 16:33, 16 April 2008 (UTC)

• Usually I would agree with the idea of a redirect to the band's article, but in this case there are two notable bands of which Daddy Long Legs was a member, Wolfpac and Bloodhound Gang. My recollection of precedents in a case like this is that we need to keep the musician article because there is not a neutral or valid way to choose which article the merge target should be. Paul Erik ^{(talk)(contribs)} 16:53, 16 April 2008 (UTC)

• Weak redirect to Bloodhound Gang per B. Wolterding's reply to Xymmax. I say weak because I would not be surprised if notability could be established for this artist with a bit of research, but the current state of the article makes no attempt to establish notability outside of his former membership in the band. If the article is improved as requested, I'll happily change to keep per WP:HEY. -Verdatum (talk) 19:01, 16 April 2008 (UTC)
  • Keep per Paul Erik. I totally missed the Wolfpac information in the lead this article needs cleanup. I'll get started on that. -Verdatum (talk) 19:04, 16 April 2008 (UTC)

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.