Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/DJ Blates

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was DELETE per discussion below. Our policy that articles must be verifiable in independent, reliable sources has a strong consensus, and no argument for keeping attempts to demonstrate such verifiability. -GTBacchus^(talk) 05:38, 26 September 2007 (UTC)

[edit] DJ Blates

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Contested prod. My original reason for prodding was: "Non-notable DJ with one independently released EP and a music video "rumoured to be released" in late 2007. 19 Google hits, all for Wikipedia or MySpace. There isn't even a real name in the article, which reads like a hoax, even if it isn't, and it's totally unsourced." The creator has added "real name undisclosed" and 2 references and feels that this satisfies the prod concerns. However, the artist doesn't meet WP:MUSIC and the references are to his MySpace site and to his freewebs-hosted blog, which now includes the news item: "WIKIPEDIA IS TRYING TO SHUT DJ BLATES ARTICLE DOWN!!...I GOTTA GET ALL YOU HOT FUCKING SKETS SUPPORTIG THIZ SHIZ!!!" One EP and a record deal with a company that has 1 non-Wiki, non-Myspace, non-own site result does not a notable musician make. Kateshortforbob 14:42, 21 September 2007 (UTC)

• Delete, absolutely no reliable sources, so fails WP:MUSIC miserably. shoy 14:52, 21 September 2007 (UTC)
• Delete Not one reliable third party source. Fails WP:MUSIC. Bmg916^Speak 14:59, 21 September 2007 (UTC)
• Delete Unable to find any sources other than myspace. Non-notable artist, with a non-notable label (and any hits for that specific label also turns up no mention of the artist) Yngvarr (t) (c) 15:20, 21 September 2007 (UTC)
• Delete Fails WP:MUSIC. Zouavman Le Zouave 17:18, 21 September 2007 (UTC)
• Delete This article doesn't feature sources. Sorry, its got to go. Icestorm815 19:35, 21 September 2007 (UTC)
• Delete utterly non-notable, whatever he puts on his website. Hut 8.5 20:02, 21 September 2007 (UTC)
• The fact that we haven't been flooded with sockpuppet keep votes speaks very poorly of this article, indeed. Delete. humblefool® 21:33, 21 September 2007 (UTC)
• Comment May I be so bold as to suggest this be called snowballed and be done with? Yngvarr (t) (c) 22:01, 21 September 2007 (UTC)
• Delete Fails WP:NN and WP:MUSIC. — Wenli ^(contribs) 01:02, 22 September 2007 (UTC)
• Keep as the articles author, i understand it is largely unsourced, but DJ BLATES is a notable DJ in the Stevenage area, and his underground fanbase means he has little exposure. Perhaps you should all listen to his music? user:moore.jonathan 22 September 2007 (UTC)
  • Notability is gained by exposure, though. Heck, I live in the same county and don't know anyone who's ever heard of him. AllynJ (talk | contribs) 00:40, 23 September 2007 (UTC)
  • Not to mention, notability also doesn't include whether or not his music is good. Whether or not a music artist is any good has no bearing on whether or not they meet the criteria to warrant their own article. Bmg916^Speak 15:42, 23 September 2007 (UTC)
• Delete, no sources - let alone reliable ones - to demonstrate notability. Author himself states he has little exposure, so any claims of notability are going to be impossible to verify. AllynJ (talk | contribs) 00:40, 23 September 2007 (UTC)
• Speedy delete. Only citations are a freewebs and a myspace account? No thanks. RFerreira 04:39, 23 September 2007 (UTC)
• Keep I live in Stevenage where this DJ is popular and i feel you are being prejudiced against underground artists, he IS notable, if you ask anyone involved in the local music scene they will tell you that. What makes an artist noteable is if there is if they exist and they have a loyal following, which he does!!! The information in this article is true and is providing useful to those interested, it isnt hurting anyone else so KEEP! - user:walton4 23 September 2007 (UTC)— walton4 (talk • contribs) has made few or no other edits outside this topic.

Nope, what makes an artist notable is that they pass Wikipedia:Notability (music). He doesn't. The threshold of inclusion in Wikipedia is verifiability, not truth, and WP:NOHARM is not a vaild argument. Hut 8.5 17:29, 23 September 2007 (UTC)

• In response to above because WP:NOHARM is in place to stop articles being kept on, where unverifyable information is stored which, (although the author means well), could potentially harm the subject. This article however seems to have full backing from DJ BLATES himself as his website seems to endorse this wikipedia article. Although he is not totally notable 'by wikipedia standards' the information i have written appears to be 100% truth, appears to cause no harm whatsoever, and the sources are verifyed by DJ BLATES himself, who shows no opposition for this article.
  What more could it possibly take to save this artice? user:moore.jonathan 23 September 2007 (UTC)
• Comment to closer: this user has also !voted above. Hut 8.5 17:48, 23 September 2007 (UTC)
• Yes i have, i am simply arguing against the response to walton4's argument. user:moore.jonathan 23rd septomber 2007. (UTC)

• In that case, start your comment with "comment", "reply" or something similar, instead of "keep", which implies you are a different user. Hut 8.5 18:11, 23 September 2007 (UTC)
• Apologies. I have changed comment, and will keep in mind for future reference user:moore.jonathan 23 September 2007, (UTC)

• Comment The information must be verified by reliable, neutral third party sources, not necessarily just the article's subject. The threshold for inclusion in Wikipedia is verifiability, not truth. Bmg916^Speak 14:19, 24 September 2007 (UTC)

KEEP!!! Me and at leat 20 other people i know love DJ BLATES he is the next DJ Luck Man!!! —Preceding unsigned comment added by Kirstylancaster17 (talk • contribs) — Kirstylancaster17 (talk • contribs) has made few or no other edits outside this topic.

• Delete Wikipedia policy states that the quality of his music (as wonderful as I'm sure it is) doesn't matter. At all. The threshold for inclusion is coverage by reliable secondary sources. 17Drew 00:52, 26 September 2007 (UTC)

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.