Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/DDRUK

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result of the debate was keep post-rewrite. fuddlemark (fuddle me!) 11:39, 28 November 2005 (UTC)

[edit] DDRUK

Advertising for a non-notable forum. ➨ ❝REDVERS❞ 03:23, 20 November 2005 (UTC)

Tisn't non-notable and also isn't advertising. Just putting infomation about it here and allowing people to view it if they need more info about the site. 03:29, 20 November 2005

• Delete. Alexa rank 250,000+. although it is a good DDR site, it's not itself notable. Nifboy 05:32, 20 November 2005 (UTC)

• Keep and rewrite. At the time of the VfD it could easily be argued that the article in its current state is merely advertising. However, I believe that as one of the largest UK-specific music game communities DDRUK is notable and visible both to those in and out of the "DDR community". It is for this reason that I will be completely rewriting the article to conform to much higher standards of article quality. Lavareef 13:49, 20 November 2005 (UTC)

Alexa: To DDR players, very noticible. To other people, not sure about that.

It's alright to talk about the problem of the site but the outline of the article is a terror. Having a title "Leech" is an huge mistake.

J's (I love DDR)

I have completely rewritten the article, and I no longer believe that it qualifies for deletion in its current state. In addition to being the largest UK-specific website dedicated to the subject matter, the DDR:UK organisation holds public events and tournaments at arcades and expositions and currently maintains a customised arcade game unique to the community. DDR:UK members may be seen displaying the community's t-shirts in many of the UK's arcades, and it is not uncommon for arcade goes to discuss community matters with other patrons. The website owner is frequently furthering knowledge of the game, having appeared on BBC Radio 5 and been featured in The Times newspaper. I believe that DDR:UK as an organisation is notable outside of the Dance Dance Revolution community and is notable for more than merely being "a popular website". Lavareef 15:26, 20 November 2005 (UTC)

• Keep, All I can say is this new re-written article is full, up to date and factual information as of 15:50 GMT the 20th November. DDRUK might not be very notable to people outside of the UK, but to any players of DDR in the UK it is very notable, it is far more than just a website, it is a community, it was the first and only dedicated community the UK had on this subject, it actively takes part in real life events, it has been on BBC radio, BBC3 TV, Satellite TV, The Guardian newspaper, (Very respected) taken part in promotions of fitness for children events, held tournaments and all attracting people from all over the world. I know this keep argument obviously looks like I am just advertising the site but it is the only way I can put forward the reason why to people in the UK it could and IS very notable community.Phayze

• Keep, important website for DDR players and "appeared on BBC Radio 5 and been featured in The Times newspaper" is a reasonable claim to notability. Kappa 16:49, 20 November 2005 (UTC)

• Comment Ignoring the rain of poor sockpuppetry that descends upon these AfDs when dealing with an encyclopedia entry about any website (it always hardens my heart towards a delete), the rewrite by Lavareef has turned the article away from advertising into something that might be genuinely useful for some readers. However, I think the notability issue is still in question - we're talking about a single web forum and not the whole subject of Dance Dance Revolution. Web forums, by definition, are rarely notable other than to their members. ➨ ❝REDVERS❞ 21:20, 20 November 2005 (UTC)

• Delete: One more time, with feeling: it isn't about whether DDR is good or bad, whether the forum is good or bad, whether we twitch or thump when we play games: the question is whether a specific forum on a website (i.e. divide the website by the number of forums) is so overwhelming to the competition, so outstanding, so controversial or famous, that it passes over the prohibition on web guide entries and the prohibition on advertising. I'm sure it's a fine forum, but it's a forum, and Wikipedia is not a web guide. Geogre 00:22, 21 November 2005 (UTC)
  • This article is about a website, not about a single forum or even all the forums on that website. Kappa 00:32, 21 November 2005 (UTC)

• Keep DDRUK is one of the biggest DDR sites in the world, so calling it "non-notable" is very silly. Been in the newspaper, featured on TV, gaming publications and more. Havok (T/C) 09:34, 26 November 2005 (UTC)

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.