Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/D'Armond Speers

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The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result of the debate was Merge and Redirect to Klingon language. --Luigi30 (Ταλκ το mε) 13:41, 11 May 2006 (UTC)

[edit] D'Armond Speers

A stub on a recent PhD best known for attempting (and failing) to raise his child in Klingon. Falls somewhere in the nether-regions between "extreme non-notability" and "ludicrous non-notability". Raggaga 09:52, 5 May 2006 (UTC)

  • Delete as nom Raggaga 09:52, 5 May 2006 (UTC)
  • Delete and consider speedying, though I don't think it's a clear-cut case. I'm struggling to find an assertion of notability. Metamagician3000 10:02, 5 May 2006 (UTC)
  • Merge and redirect. The follow is well-known for his attempts to raise his child in Klingon, which surely makes him notable. If he therefore warrants his own article? I don't know. In its current form, the article give little information and may as well be merged into Klingon language. —IJzeren Jan In mij legge alle fogultjes een ij 10:06, 5 May 2006 (UTC)
  • Merge and redirect as per IJzeren Jan. Vizjim 12:05, 5 May 2006 (UTC)
  • Delete If someone wants to add him as a footnote in the Klingon article that would be reasonable (and a search on his name would turn up that article) but I wouldn't make it a redirect. Fan1967 13:36, 5 May 2006 (UTC)
  • Delete per nom. This whackjob's attempt to screw his kid up is already documented in the Klingon language article, in a fair bit more detail than this article provides. (One wonders why teaching a kid Spanish, Mandarin, French or Arabic, a genuinely useful language, wasn't considered.) RGTraynor 16:27, 5 May 2006 (UTC)
    • Well, that's an entirely different discussion! I don't think raising your kid in a language that nobody knows is ethical either, but that's beside the point here. We are not happy with the things Adolf Hitler did either, but that's no reason for not having an article about him. —IJzeren Jan In mij legge alle fogultjes een ij 21:10, 5 May 2006 (UTC)
  • Delete per nom. Fails WP:BIO. I would argue he can be speedied per CSD:A7. -- ReyBrujo 18:07, 5 May 2006 (UTC)
  • Merge and redirect to Klingon Language Institute. He's one of the major members, it seems, and they have published a translation of Hamlet (!). If there was more info, it might even stand on its own. Given that he is the only person (one hopes) to have raised their child in Klingon, that seems notable (it passes the Verifiability and Google tests, and as a published co-author, perhaps the writer test as well, though one wonders how well that book would sell). Rigadoun 19:10, 5 May 2006 (UTC)
  • Merge and redirect as above. Seems to me the kid is the interesting subject here, as the first native speaker of this language. Poor thing. ProhibitOnions 21:16, 5 May 2006 (UTC)
    • Irrelevant comment. I recall a story in News of the Weird a while back about some parents who were investigated for child neglect, it was noted that they carried on family conversations in Klingon. They were allowed to keep their children. [1] Crypticfirefly 04:11, 6 May 2006 (UTC)
  • Merge and redirect as per Rigadoun: weird enough to be notable :-). Sergio Ballestrero 17:07, 8 May 2006 (UTC)


The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.