Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Cyber Monday

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result of the debate was Keep. Enochlau 05:01, 3 December 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Cyber Monday

I tried to flesh it out a bit; however, this seems like a completely new term invented this year - I haven't seen a source anywhere. At the very least, I think at least a year (until next "Cyber Monday") is needed to see if it actually establishes itself as a real term. -Tejastheory 00:30, 28 November 2005 (UTC)

• Opposed. The term clearly exists in the media and popular usage today (cf. home depot advertising for cyber monday), which establishes it as a "real term" for the purposes of Wikipedia. Konekoniku 04:14, 28 November 2005 (UTC)
• This afd nomination was orphaned. Listing now. —Crypticbot (operator) 14:47, 28 November 2005 (UTC)
• Do not delete. Should be linked from Electronic Commerce though. --WhiteDragon 16:01, 28 November 2005 (UTC)
• Do not delete. This term is new, but I've heard it so many times that it's going to stick around for at least awhile. If nothing else, it will always be an interesting exercise in neologism.

71.244.133.88 16:42, 28 November 2005 (UTC)

• Keep. I heard it bandied about on the morning news - obviously fast gaining widespread currency. BD2412 T 16:48, 28 November 2005 (UTC)
  • Note - 702,000 Google hits, likely sticking around. BD2412 T 16:56, 28 November 2005 (UTC)
• Keep or merge to Black Friday. It's currently front-page on CNN.com, it was mentioned on NPR this morning, and google news otherwise finds 426 articles about it currently.
• Keep. I would support the merge with Black Friday's entry. It's been well used (as BD2412 points out) in media outlets this past week. It doesn't seem likely that the internet or internet shopping will go away anytime soon. Note: Cyber Monday, as NPR and others have explained is due to the fact people shop online from work on Monday because broadband access is not yet universal. With the continued decline of dialup and increase of cable/dsl it is likely that "Cyber Monday" will only remain as a historical term used for a short period of time. Could be that next year enough people have broadband at home (and don't need to use the resource at work) and the Cyber Monday effect will be greatly reduced.Jon@bostonist.com 19:07, 28 November 2005 (UTC)
• I'm not a usual poster here, and I'm not sure if I'm posting correctly on this page - but I'm a television producer with the FOX owned station in Greensboro, NC. I've spoken with Scott Krugman, a PR guy with the National Retail Federation's website shop.org. Krugman told me the Executive Director of shop.org coined the phrase 3 months ago to describe a trend first noticed last year. I pressed Krugman about "Cyber Monday" being completely manufactured by the NRF. He says NRF is hesitant to talk about coining the phrase, because it doesn't want "Cyber Monday" to appear to be a "Hallmark Holiday." —Preceding unsigned comment added by 216.237.209.32 (talk • contribs) 19:19, 28 November 2005 (UTC)
• Keep as above. Trollderella 21:53, 28 November 2005 (UTC)
• Weak Keep - although coined very recently, its use is very widespread in the media, and it appears to have "staying power." 147.70.242.21 23:11, 28 November 2005 (UTC)
• Merge as above. sganjam 23:53, 28 November 2005 (UTC)
  As I have never heard of this term prior to this year, it seems like its some random term coined by the major retailers to have an excuse for a sale. I think wikipedia should take a stance against this and just merge it with Black Friday. The faster it dies, the better. We don't need more holidays to dilute the already diluted Black Friday Sale. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 169.233.22.95 (talk • contribs) 23:35, 28 November 2005 (UTC)
• Delete. Someone invented this last month; Wikipedia is not Urbandictionary. The merge of information to black thursday is reasonable, and it has already been done! D. [[User_talk:DG|G.]] 00:17, 29 November 2005 (UTC)

• Comment the term might be new, but mainstream media is using it quite frequently. I seem to recall 9/11 becoming a catchphrase fairly quickly as well. HackJandy 02:08, 29 November 2005 (UTC)

• Keep, Mainstream media has adopted this (CNN, ABC, etc). Even if it is relative hype, the shear amount of search engine traffic seems to indicate that this at least deserves a recognition for existing. HackJandy 02:08, 29 November 2005 (UTC)
• Keep, There is no reason to delete this article and every reason to keep.--152.163.100.202 04:37, 29 November 2005 (UTC)

• Keep, But please make it prominent that this is a marketing term generated by a retailing group (see BusinessWeek link at bottom of article). It is hype, but worth keeping up so long as people know what it is. Otherwise, please delete or merge with Black Friday. Allenu 08:56, 29 November 2005 (UTC)
• Keep, only because I've heard it so many times in the past few hours alone - it's certainly a neologism, but i've seen it everywhere from cnet and yahoo news to gizmodo and cbs news and usa today...a merge with Black Friday seems best, and the wikipedia page seems to be among the top 20 or so Google results janey the crazy 09:37, 29 November 2005 (UTC)
• Merge, Cyber Monday is a valid term. While it was coined by marketers, it is becoming part of the vernacular, unlike many things on Urban Dictionary. However, I don't think it's deserving of an article of its own, so I feel that it should be merged with Black Friday (shopping). --Bhtooefr 13:49, 29 November 2005 (UTC)
• Keep, but don't merge w/Black Friday (shopping). It is a separate occurrance, and should be noted as such, marketing gimmick or not. Any rationale to move it to Black Friday because of it being a marketing gimmick is rather POV. --badlydrawnjeff 14:38, 29 November 2005 (UTC)
• Keep, it's fairly new but that is the pull of the Wikipedia. What good is this place if we have entries over a year late?
• Keep needs to be up here if only to illustrate that it was somewhat of a scam 64.59.209.89 16:35, 29 November 2005 (UTC)
• Keep - seems to be a term gaining fast notability - at least wait to see if it dies with this year. Barneyboo (Talk) 16:17, 29 November 2005 (UTC)
• Keep, We were discussing this term at the office, and Wikipedia was the first reliable source we cound find on its origins. Even if it's not a real phoenomenon, it's a real phrase people use and the article should reflect that.
• Weak Keep or Strong Delete and Merge, I hadn't heard of it until a forum posting about a day ago, then a Slashdot article today. Regardless of the media/retailers picking it up, it just hasn't passed into common phrase yet. You don't hear everyone talking about Cyber Monday sales. Most of what you find online about it is people discussing this new term. I say it be merged with the Black Friday entry and put in a small section. Maybe if it gains more widespread usage...but for now. ^demon 16:54, 29 November 2005 (UTC)
• Keep - It was bandied about on the local news yesterday like crazy. It's a new term but it's clearly gaining currency quickly in the media. — Laura Scudder ☎ 17:16, 29 November 2005 (UTC)
• Keep, Wikipedia should document all words possible —Preceding unsigned comment added by 85.76.33.241 (talk • contribs) 17:18, 29 November 2005 UTC (User's only edit)
  • No, no it should not. Wikipedia is not a dictionary. –ArmadniGeneral (talk • contribs) 17:53, 29 November 2005 (UTC)
• Keep. As much as it is showing up in the press, people will look for an answer. --StuffOfInterest 17:23, 29 November 2005 (UTC)
• Keep per above reasons. Youngamerican 17:30, 29 November 2005 (UTC)
• Strong Delete This is a flash-in-the-pan term that only has legs this year, because of an easily rebroadcast story in the media. It's a fake meme, based on the faulty assertion that shoppers are flocking to online sales after they return to work. No one has even substantiated that the phenomenon actually exists. This to me is a red herring marketing term that has no reality outside the stupid media story that generated it. This is especially clear from ludicrously dated use of cyber which itself is deprecated among the online community. Wikipedia should delete this one with extreme prejudice. Rcharman 17:32, 29 November 2005 (UTC)

cyber might be deprecated among the old guard of the internet, but casual internet users still use it (eg. cyber crime is used by government [1] and news now). --Interiot 18:03, 29 November 2005 (UTC)

• Rcharman, it is precisely BECAUSE this meme has grown so quickly and so fast that Wikipedia must address it. I for one only learned Cyber Monday was a gimmick from Wikipedia. Wikipedia can have urban legands and "false memes," as long is it debunks them. It's an important role for the pedia to play. 64.59.209.89 18:01, 29 November 2005 (UTC)
• Weak Keep. Unfortunately this term has legs, and because of its...*sigh* notoriety we'll have to hear about it until the end of the year. We'll probably revisit this next year after they stop using it and be able to delete it then.  RasputinAXP  _{talk contribs} 17:47, 29 November 2005 (UTC)
• Keep...unfortunately it has notoriety. –ArmadniGeneral (talk • contribs) 17:53, 29 November 2005 (UTC)
• Keep The term exists and will likely not go away. As long as the article reflects the true meaning of the word and misleading history behind its adoption (as I think it does now), it should stay. 18:22, 29 November 2005
  • Comment Can it be proven that it will stick around? Other internet-coined turns have since gone the way of the Dodo (Information Superhighway anyone?). From what I can tell Googling it, most discussion seems to be of the "WTF, where did this term come from?" variety, as well as many news articles talking about this sudden new term. Therefore, I'm amending my vote to "Strong Delete and Merge" -^demon 20:00, 29 November 2005 (UTC)
• Merge to Black Friday (new term and it's not know if it will survive into the future) Broken S 20:35, 29 November 2005 (UTC)
• Weak keep, as per StuffOfInterest.—thegreentrilby 20:42, 29 November 2005 (UTC)
  • Merging/redirect to Black Friday (shopping) will still allow people to type in "Cyber Monday" and see the merged blurb about it there. Though there are now news stories suggesting real numbers are confirming [2] that this year's Cyber Monday saw significantly increased sales, though I still think it's a bit of a self-fulfilling prophecy, as both news and companies have an incentive to hilight only the best sales figures. --Interiot 21:23, 29 November 2005 (UTC)
    • But "Black Friday" isn't "Cyber Monday," and the only relationship they have is that they're holiday shopping days. A merge makes no sense. --badlydrawnjeff 21:35, 29 November 2005 (UTC)
      • It's a name taken from a already widely used name. It's trying to play off the popularity of Black Friday. That's the connection. That and the fact that they're so close together, apparently as this is now a holiday. -^demon 22:16, 29 November 2005 (UTC)
      • I don't know what to say... they're clearly not the same actual day, but they're also clearly closely related. 2/3rds of news articles that mention Cyber Monday also mention Black Friday. [3] [4]. --Interiot 22:27, 29 November 2005 (UTC)
• Keep The term is relevent even if in a historical perspecive of xmas season 2005. 12.20.127.229 20:48, 29 November 2005 (UTC)
• Keep I've heard this term no less than 100 times in the past 7 days - no matter how much Imay personally hate it, it's certainly catching on. --Bachrach44 21:42, 29 November 2005 (UTC)
• Keep, mentioned by major news outlets, even if it looks like Buy Nothing Day will have to turn into Buy Nothing Month. Smerdis of Tlön 22:59, 29 November 2005 (UTC)
• Advertising, please do your homework, as Businessweek did, on the origin of the term:[5] BTW, searching for 'cyber saturday' or any of the other days of the week gives you millions of results as well. 131.107.0.73 01:00, 30 November 2005 (UTC)

did you even read the entry? The WP article reflects the same information as the businessweek article. What are you talking about? 69.142.21.24 01:13, 30 November 2005 (UTC)

NOW it does, and I'm happy about that. Keep the way it is.

Millions? Try thousands. Three orders of magnitude off. Even a much more restrictive search still gives 20× as many results, at least for what I checked. Weak keep for what it's worth. —HorsePunchKid→龜 2005-11-30 01:20:44Z

Interesting that you would just lie about the # of results for other days of the week. Try cyber+saturday or cyber+sunday (2.7-3 million hits on google) then come back. 131.107.0.73 21:31, 30 November 2005 (UTC)

Lie? Hardly. You apparently do not know how to use Google properly. —HorsePunchKid→龜 2005-11-30 21:44:59Z

• Keep Quentin Pierce 01:01, 30 November 2005 (UTC)
• Keep for posterity -- —Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.142.21.24 (talk • contribs)
• Keep -- user:zanimum
• Keep 69.142.21.24 02:44, 30 November 2005 (UTC)
• Keep --Quadraxis 02:44, 3 December 2005 (UTC)
• Keep saw it on the news. We have a Black Friday article why not keep this. --Aranda ⁵⁶) 03:38, 3 December 2005 (UTC)

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