Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Custom Wars

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The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result of the debate was delete. King of ♥ ♦ ♣ ♠ 18:09, 21 June 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Custom Wars

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non-notable fan-created game spin-off (of Advance Wars). Hasn't yet been released, and no major pre-release coverage [1]. --AbsolutDan (talk) 05:13, 16 June 2006 (UTC)

  • Delete per nom AdamBiswanger1 05:48, 16 June 2006 (UTC)
  • Delete, crystal-balling at the very least. --Coredesat 08:23, 16 June 2006 (UTC)
  • Delete per above. DarthVader 11:09, 16 June 2006 (UTC)
  • Delete Seems like an advertisement for a rarely known game project.--Auger Martel 16:46, 16 June 2006 (UTC)
WP:NOT a soapbox for launching your video game project. It goes the other way around, my friend: you have to be well-known to have a page here. You can't make the article and hope that the article will bring you enough links to make your project well-known. That just doesn't make sense. And this wiki has nothing to do with prediction. That's quite correct, and means that we can't predict anything about this video game. If you are a developer and are putting information about your work, this is original research and needs to be verified for inclusion anyway. --M1ss1ontomars2k4 (T | C | @) 19:28, 16 June 2006 (UTC)

I see no reason why this is up for deletion. Wikipedia is supposed to be an encyclopedia. Therefore, it should contain articles on everything. Custom Wars is something. So it deserves an article. A lot of time and energy went into creating it and it deserves some recognition. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Davidhowland14 (talk • contribs) .

  • Delete: fails any semblance of notability. Come back when your product has some significant press coverage. --Hetar 19:03, 16 June 2006 (UTC)

The Wikipedia subtitle is "The Free Encyclopedia". One, it doesn't cost money, and two...it's supposed to be free, meaning that as long as an article is not illegal, flaming, or incorrect, it deserves a place on wikipedia. This article is not an advertisment, we are a legitimate movement, and alot of work has been done on Custom Wars. As I said above, it deserves some recognition, not just people deleting it because "it doesn't have signifigant press coverage" This is supposed to be a free (meaing freedom) encyclopedia. Therefore, things that don't have much press coverage should be able to get in. Deleting something because it isn't well known is against the spirit, in my opinion, of wikipedia. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Davidhowland14 (talk • contribs) 19:08, 16 June 2006 (UTC)

  • Delete per nom, Coredesat. The best I can give is that it doesn't sound lie an advert (anymore). M1ss1ontomars2k4 (T | C | @) 19:23, 16 June 2006 (UTC)
  • Delete per nom. Wikipedia already has policies addressing your points, new guys. You should probably check them out. Recury 19:25, 16 June 2006 (UTC)
  • Comment In regards to the article creators' arguments that because Wikipedia is a "free encyclopedia", the article deserves to stay - it should be noted that as a matter of official policy, Wikipedia is not a democracy and there is no Wikipedia right to free speech Bwithh 20:00, 16 June 2006 (UTC)
  • Delete as per nom. Send in the police squads... Bwithh 20:00, 16 June 2006 (UTC)
awwww shux Bwithh 20:36, 16 June 2006 (UTC)
  • Delete. What Wikipedia is not. And, Verifiability. This isn't a place to put every single thing under the sun. If your game becomes popular enough to gain interest from reputable media sources, then it becomes verifiable, and at that point in time, it would likely be accepted as part of this encyclopedia. Tony Fox (speak) 20:19, 16 June 2006 (UTC)


I can't agree more with VGN...Wikipedia is supposed to be community built. Custom Wars is a large effort 180+ members, over 20,000 posts...why doesn't it deserve recognition? If someone can give me a reason other than "blargh, wikipedia isn't an ad site, stop putting your stupid little java game here", then this might make sense —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Davidhowland14 (talk • contribs) 21:33, 16 June 2006 (UTC)

sooooooo.... the verifiability link up there isn't a reason other than that, then? And if there are other sites with games that are non-notable, unverifiable, etc., feel free to point'em out, 'cause there are editors who will AfD them too. Tony Fox (speak) 22:27, 16 June 2006 (UTC)
  • Delete, as per redundant arguments. VGN, stop hounding people who voted delete. It doesn't help you get points and you've already admitted to advertisement, which completely fails WP:VANITY. You're not going to win. Hilarious that you actually came up with a Japanese name, though. Kusutamu Wōzu~! ' (Feeling chatty? ) (Edits!) 00:22, 17 June 2006 (UTC)


You are responding to every person who has voted for deletion, that being everyone but you. If that's not hounding, then I'm not an asshole. Calling us "wikidiots" essentially shoots your argument down; Wikipedians don't take well to breaches of WP:CIVIL. I don't particularly desire to be part of your "circle", so I'm not sure why you believe me to care about comments about me not being accepted into your group, whatever it is. ' (Feeling chatty? ) (Edits!) 00:45, 17 June 2006 (UTC)
  • Comment In addition to WP:CIVIL, VGN you should read over the policies of WP:NPA and WP:AGF. Calling people "elitists", "elitist jackasses" and "wikidiots" goes directly against them both. Articles for deletion should not be taken personally in a negative manner. Rather, it is an attempt to look in a neutral and unbiased fashion at whether the subject in question has encylopedic merit to warrant inclusion or not. --Auger Martel 10:03, 17 June 2006 (UTC)

I appologise. I do admit that I was fuming yesterday, and now I feel like a complete idiot. In order to prevent futher self embarassment, I will delete my previous comments. I was just overly annoyed by your reasons for deletion. I stepped over the line. You set me straight. Thanks. I guess I should RTFA's (Read the Freaking Articles) before I make another mistake that'll cost me my place in this... erm... community. VGN 19:15, 17 June 2006 (UTC)

As a member of the CW community, I was opposed to making this article. I recommend we keep it for now, but if it does not have a significant impact it should be deleted, as in accordance to Wikipedia's policies. GSR 22:22, 18 June 2006 (UTC)

  • Delete Vapor So Far = Not Yet Article. Welcome back when there's a "people actually play this" kind of release out. I'd be more willing to vote keep on games that are "near beta" and are either commercially developed or open source; commercial games have $om€ £€v€rag€ that $hou£d h€£p, and OSS games can at least be forked by people who care in case original devs quit... but regrettably, closed-group fan projects have an annoying tendency to go forward at snail's pace and rarely actually materialise. --wwwwolf (barks/growls) 16:37, 19 June 2006 (UTC)
  • Hello, I'm fox. I'm in charge of CW, and I'd like to explain something to you who vote for delete. Advance Wars, the game that this is based off of, is a popular game. It has a fairly large community of websites and forums, most of which contain thousands of members. This, Custom Wars, is going to be the biggest thing in the AW community that has ever happened. It will be mentioned everywhere, and I see no reason why you shouldn't consider that noteworthy. If we fail to gain the attention I expect, I will personally delete or have deleted, the article. However, if you wish to delete it before then, then being the next couple of days, I would think of it as prejudice against a whole gaming community.

FreeLance FoX 20:35, 19 June 2006 (UTC) PS: VGN, Dave, thanks for the support.

  • Delete. FreeLance Fox has said the magic words: "This, Custom Wars, is going to be the biggest thing in the AW community that has ever happened. It will be mentioned everywhere..." I admire your confidence, and I encourage you to work towards that vision. But notability is evaluated as of now. This is why encyclopedias are virtually always about what "is" and what "was", not what "will be". Kickaha Ota 16:53, 20 June 2006 (UTC)
  • I'll give you that, it's true, it hasn't been released YET. However, within a few hours it will be. Note that I was told nothing goes in wikipedia that is in the future unless you're SURE it will happen. And... I can't be positive, but I'm 95% sure. If you guys can extend the deletion warning for 2 days I'll keep my word. —Preceding unsigned comment added by FreeLance FoX (talk • contribs)
    • In that case, you could always userify the page (move it to User:FreeLance FoX/Custom Wars) until the release occurs. That would avoid the potential deletion. Kickaha Ota 19:17, 20 June 2006 (UTC)
      • I'm new here, so, could you explain how to do that, or do it if you could? FreeLance FoX 02:04, 21 June 2006 (UTC)


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