Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Curtis Warren (game show contestant)

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was No consensus, default to keep. —Wknight94 (talk) 02:11, 21 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Curtis Warren (game show contestant)

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Delete non notable individual per WP:BIO. Generic game show contestants are hardly encyclopedic. One might be made notable through press coverage resulting from their appearance on a game show, but not simply by appearing on it or else we would have an article for every game show contestant which is simply not encyclopedic. For instance, many contestants on the show American Idol have become famous yet did not win. This is not the case here. Also note, creator of the article was an anon who was repeatedly blocked for vandalism and is currently blocked indefinitely, see [1]. Strothra 21:04, 13 January 2007 (UTC)

• Keep. See my remarks on Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Daniel Avila and Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Melissa Skirboll. All three of these people (Avila, Skirboll, and Warren) were involved in a game show episode that would clearly be considered notable by game-show aficionados, and are not "generic game show contestants". It would be a bad precedent for "genre" fame (even in a genre like game shows, which are not highly regarded) to be considered not to confer notability.—Neuromath 02:31, 14 January 2007 (UTC)

No notability of these individuals among "game-show aficionados" is established in the articles. --Strothra 03:05, 14 January 2007 (UTC)

• Delete, fails WP:BIO. Agent 86 07:19, 14 January 2007 (UTC)

A brief Google search on "Curtis Warren Greed" turned up the following published references to Warren:

• Michael Slenske in The Atlantic Monthly Jan/Feb 2005
• Sharon Fink in the St. Petersburg Times 2004-06-25 (#4 in a list of the top 5 winners in network game show history)
• Deshundra Jefferson and Alexander Haris on CNN/Money 2004-07-14 (another Top 5 listing)

This search also turned up numerous fan pages and sites dealing with Warren.

These references should suffice to settle this AfD and keep the article. Please try to do such a brief search before proposing any article on popular culture for AfD; it will save time for everyone else involved. Also, please try to take the existence of large fan bases more seriously as a sign of notability, as WP:BIO itself urges us to do; likewise with record-setting and other accomplishments known to draw the attention of fans. —Neuromath 04:10, 15 January 2007 (UTC)

Those articles clearly fail the primary criteron of WP:BIO since the individual is not the primary subject of those articles. --Strothra 17:01, 15 January 2007 (UTC)

See my remarks at the Daniel Avila AfD on the interpretation of this criterion, including your misinterpretation of it as a criterion for exclusion when it is intended as a criterion for inclusion. I would also point out that we've traveled quite a distance from your original stated basis for these AfD's. Top 5 listings hardly sound like "generic game show contestants" to me. And Slenske in The Atlantic Monthly even refers to Avila Warren explicitly as one of "eight other notable masters of miscellany from over the past half century"—where the word "other" means other than Ken Jennings. —Neuromath 19:27, 15 January 2007 (UTC)

• Keep. Of all game show contestant articles to delete, why this one? Curtis not only had success on Greed, but other game shows as well. Many other articles just contain winners who have only had one successful appearance on a game show. Curtis, unlike them, has made a name for himself in the game show world. The episode of Greed Curtis was on was a memorable one for all game show experts. So, keep. Red Director 20:46, 16 January 2007 (UTC)

Additional note to keep Curtis was at one time the all-time winningest game show contestant. There are a lot of articles that are still on Wikipedia that are less notable than Daniel Avila, Curtis, and Melissa Skirboll. So, once again you need to keep all three, especially this one. Red Director 00:08, 20 January 2007 (UTC)

• ABSOLUTELY KEEP. Any game show record breakers should be kept. The rest of the keepers have opinions which I agree with. Plus, I wrote this page, and I don't appreciate one of my pieces of work being nominated for deletion for NO REASON. --ChrisP2K5 05:07, 19 January 2007 (UTC)

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.