Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Cthulhu in popular culture

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The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was No consensus, default to Keep. WaltonOne 14:22, 20 July 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Cthulhu in popular culture

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This is another article that contains a lenghty list of unreferenced trivia data Delete per WP:TRIVIA and WP:V --JForget 23:26, 12 July 2007 (UTC)

  • Merge relevant info to Cthulhu Giggy UCP 23:37, 12 July 2007 (UTC)
  • Cthulhu. Gesundheit. Don't know if there's anything worth merging. I think I'll just irritate the hell out of someone by not making it clear whether this is a !vote or not.  !Tough Mandsford 00:48, 13 July 2007 (UTC)
  • Delete per WP is not a trivia collection Corpx 01:40, 13 July 2007 (UTC)
  • Keep, not trivia but a comprehensive list demonstrating cultural significance and which expands the Cthulhu article Guycalledryan 02:57, 13 July 2007 (UTC)
  • Merge relevant parts into Cthulhu mythos; Cthulhu mythos is not solely a creation of HP Lovecraft, but has been expanded on - both canonically and non-canonically - by others. Some elements of this article (with proper sourcing) would fall into the non-canonical usage. A quick search for "Cthulhu" at Amazon shows numerous (non-canonical) books about the Cthulhu mythos sufficiently demonstrating to me that there are WP:RSes that there is a notable "popular culture" aspect to this, but I feel it would be better handled in the mythos article. Second choice would be keep. Carlossuarez46 05:44, 13 July 2007 (UTC)
  • Weak keep — this article refers to a three-times presidential candidate. Cedars 12:59, 13 July 2007 (UTC)
  • Move to a subpage of Talk:Cthulhu. Cthulhu is a figure from popular culture. The article on Cthulhu would be sadly incomplete if it omitted references to Cthulhu in metal and other popular music; if it ignored the Cthulhu role playing games; or even that Cthulhu has become something of a figure of fun, made into plush toys and the joke presidential campaign. The list format is surely unwieldy, and doesn't belong in the article in chief yet. But it contains information and ideas for future editors. This is what talk page subpages are for. - Smerdis of Tlön 14:45, 13 July 2007 (UTC)
  • Keep topic clean-up trivia. Quick Google of Cthulhu in popular culture finds two books on this topic. [1] and [2]. I presume interested user could find more and write decent article. Canuckle 20:39, 13 July 2007 (UTC)
  • Oh, just to be clear that's 2 books solely focused on this specific topic, as in their titles are: The Cult of Alien Gods: H.P. Lovecraft And Extraterrestial Pop Culture and H.P. Lovecraft in Popular Culture: The Works and Their Adaptations in Film, Television, Comics, Music and Games. Canuckle 12:03, 16 July 2007 (UTC)
  • Weak keep although is comes dangerously near to listcruft, as per Cedars, Canuckles, and Guycalledryan, because it has independent cultural significance. Bearian 22:23, 13 July 2007 (UTC) As per my comment in another AfD, this is a marginal and difficult case: (a) it is not obviously listcruft (the "I know it when I see it" test), (b) it has, or could have, more than one nontrivial cite, (c) there is well-known/independently verifiable cultural impact, and (d) numerous non-SLA editors have edited content and references. I may be banished from Gaylaxicon for these comments. Bearian 22:43, 13 July 2007 (UTC)
  • Keep. Cthulhu has significant cultural impact. And the stars are right. Axl 08:26, 14 July 2007 (UTC)
  • Strong Keep. It's clear that WP is going to deal with pop cultural references to Cthulhu somehow--it's an extremely common trope. But sections on popular culture inevitably become listy; it's the nature of the beast, because anyone can add in example that they've seen. The point of having "...in popular culture" articles is to isolate these listy sections and maintain some coherence is the main article. Eliminating this article is just going to reduce the quality of Cthulhu--sure as rain leads to puddles. Nareek 11:51, 15 July 2007 (UTC)
  • Delete unless somebody cites reliable sources for this collection of trivia, it is original research. Furthermore, Wikipedia isn't an indiscriminate collection of information, and I fail to see how this enhances the Cthulhu article. (→O - RLY?) 02:23, 17 July 2007 (UTC)
  • Keep. This should either be kept as is, or merged with the Cthulhu article. As Cthulhu is a very pervasive influence on world culture, above and beyond what Lovecraft intended, a list of influences on popular culture seems worthwhile. PseudoSherlock 17:00, 18 July 2007 (UTC)
  • Keep, significant cultural impact. Abeg92contribs 01:12, 19 July 2007 (UTC)
The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.