Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/CrossRoads Middle School

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The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was reply hazy, try again. Please re-list seperately where it may be appropriate to do so. Can't sleep, clown will eat me 06:42, 10 October 2007 (UTC)

[edit] CrossRoads Middle School

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WP:OUTCOMES says that while high schools are kept, middle and elementary schools aren't. J-ſtanTalkContribs 04:03, 9 October 2007 (UTC)

Ok, I've deleted a few blue ribbon winners, as those seem to be notable. But the others (including CrossRoads m.s.) don't assert notability. J-ſtanTalkContribs 15:28, 9 October 2007 (UTC)
  • Delete ALL-per WP:OUTCOMES only high schools are kept TonyBallioni 04:32, 9 October 2007 (UTC)
  • Delete almost all Except for Nursery Rd and Dutch Fork. Those two seem to have won some semi-notable award from the Dept of Educ, which may make them notable (although I'm not familiar enough with the blue ribbon award to know if it's rare enough that winning it confers some notability). If it isn't that important, then delete all. Bfigura (talk) 04:51, 9 October 2007 (UTC)
  • Strong Keep All Above and beyond the nominator's failure to review and improve the articles in clear violation of Wikipedia:Deletion Policy is the lumping together of articles for which many make clear and unmistakable claims of notability as they existed at the time this laundry list AfD was created. In the few minutes since I saw the AfD, several of the articles have had multiple reliable and verifiable sources added to provide the clearest possible demonstration of satisfaction of the Wikipedia:Notability standard. WP:OUTCOMES does NOT say that all elementary and middle school articles are deleted, and the use of this policy to justify deletion, without describing any violation of Wikipedia policy by these articles, is problematic in and of itself. Alansohn 05:02, 9 October 2007 (UTC)
  • Comment So after reading Blue_Ribbon_Schools_Program, it seems 4% of the schools in the country wins the award. I personally don't think that establishes notability, but I imagine that's a personal opinion. (And unless I missed something, that's the only claim these schools have to notability). However, I do want to second Alansohn's remarks about WP:OUTCOMES being used as a reason to delete. It's fine to use OUTCOMES when trying to decide whether to AfD something (so long as it isn't the sole/primary reason for nomination), but it is not a good reason to delete. Instead, we should cite the underlying reason(s) why this class of articles (and this article in specific) should be deleted. --Bfigura (talk) 05:16, 9 October 2007 (UTC)
  • Keep all. To be frank, I've never read or heard of WP:OUTCOMES until today, but lumping together a number of Blue Ribbon recipients with other schools is no way to achieve a consensus. Worse case scenario, they should be merged to their parent school district or locality! Silensor 05:32, 9 October 2007 (UTC)
  • Keep all and reference better WP:OUTCOMES isn't close to consensus, each article must be on its own merits. --Richard Arthur Norton (1958- ) 06:00, 9 October 2007 (UTC)
  • Comment Can someone explain to me what exactly is encyclopedic about listing every school in the country? It just seems like wikipedia is not the place for some of this info. Even if the schools have won awards is that a reason to have them here. Not arguing with anyone just honestly asking. I'm kind of caught between the opinion that we include way to many things in wikipedia or that we should just list everything. I mean if we are going to get rid of bands and artist because they are unsigned local acts with no major national press coverage, why should every school be listed? Ridernyc 06:10, 9 October 2007 (UTC)
  • Keep all- ruling schools of this size automatically notable. Period.JJJ999 08:06, 9 October 2007 (UTC)
  • speedy keep and relist What OUTCOMES says is that we usually delete such articles, unless they have individual merit. so lets consider the individual merit. OUTCOMES is in any event just a summary of what usually happens here, and I note that it has almost always been considered that Blue Ribbon schools are sufficiently distinctive for their quality to be considered important. I personally have my doubts, but checking back it shows the consensus has been that this is sufficient for notability. DGG (talk) 11:26, 9 October 2007 (UTC)
  • Agree with DGG. Speedy keep and relist individually. shoy 12:43, 9 October 2007 (UTC)
I could live with that. Should we close this one and reopen them individually, or should we just put a relist template, rm and list the elementary schools individually? J-ſtanTalkContribs 15:33, 9 October 2007 (UTC)
  • Concur with speedy keep and relist individually. -- Roleplayer 16:52, 9 October 2007 (UTC)
  • Relist individually--Victor falk 17:32, 9 October 2007 (UTC)
  • Why did you nominate these together? A note to the nom—never do mass noms. Mass noms sink almost instantly; people almost always refuse to discuss more than one at a time. I, however, am not one of those people. Delete them all because I see none as notable. i said 23:27, 9 October 2007 (UTC)
I is valliant--Victor falk 23:31, 9 October 2007 (UTC)
What do you mean by that? i said 02:58, 10 October 2007 (UTC)
  • Strong delete all except Nursery Rd/Dutch Fork, on which I am neutral (lack of information). The remaining schools don't even claim notability and should be deleted. CRGreathouse (t | c) 02:55, 10 October 2007 (UTC)


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