Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Cristian Fleming

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The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was Delete. Carlossuarez46 (talk) 22:00, 18 December 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Cristian Fleming

Cristian Fleming (edit|talk|history|links|watch|logs) – (View log)

Vanity article about self-published musician. This article offers no assertion of notability and is of questionable veracity. ˉˉanetode╦╩ 19:35, 15 December 2007 (UTC)

  • Delete. All references point to sites where Fleming's work can be bought. --Blanchardb-MeMyEarsMyMouth-timed 20:03, 15 December 2007 (UTC)

Blanchardb: It's fine if you delete the links to where the artist's music can be purchased, but that does not negate the fact that the artist is a notable musician in the relevant genre. Omotorwayo (talk) 20:58, 15 December 2007 (UTC)

Anetode: I disagree and believe there is sufficient evidence and record sales history, which speaks to the artist's importance in musical genres mentioned. The page has already been confirmed as notable twice in the past. Omotorwayo (talk) 20:59, 15 December 2007 (UTC)

Anetode: Furthermore, given that the artist is currently on the German label (http://suburbantrash.c8.com/), which is not the only label he has released music on, I don't see how he is "self-published." Omotorwayo (talk) 21:03, 15 December 2007 (UTC)

I was referring to Co.Ad.Audio when I mentioned "self-published". The article currently doesn't mention record sales in any way, except for a link to amazon which gives a sales rank of #669,245 for an EP. The artist's importance in musical genres isn't really mentioned either, and there's an alarming lack of any reliable sources to back up any claims. ˉˉ

anetode╦╩ 22:54, 15 December 2007 (UTC)

So the fact that he started his own label doesn't negate the fact that his music is distributed on other labels. He had music released as recently as 2007 on Resist Music in the UK. Fleming's song is used as an introduction track on a CD compiled by a UK DJ, which also asserts popularity of the artist (see link for more details). Omotorwayo (talk) 23:19, 15 December 2007 (UTC)
  • Delete. I put this vanity article up for speedy deletion awhile ago but evidently the assertion of a "European tour" in the article disqualified it. In my mind there is no worth evident aside from self promotion. I think it's worth noting that the creator & sole editor has very few contributions other than this article [1] which to me hints at a personal motivation & involvement. - Alcmaeonid (talk) 21:24, 15 December 2007 (UTC)
  • Alcmaeonid: Adherence to WP:MUSIC is sufficient to assert the article's notability. Also, adding multiple pages as opposed to one should not make a difference as to whether or not the article is notable. Omotorwayo (talk) 21:54, 15 December 2007 (UTC)
  • Delete Fails WP:MUSIC, also is written like an ad and external links all link to purchace areas. STORMTRACKER 94 21:48, 15 December 2007 (UTC)
Any links that have music available for purchase were put to show reviews written by avid fans of the artist, but I'm fine with their removal if an administrator deems it necessary. Omotorwayo (talk) 01:30, 16 December 2007 (UTC) Also, I'm of the belief that a record label's "release history," is one of the best ways to prove that an artist has sold music commercially on a notable scale. Omotorwayo (talk) 02:38, 16 December 2007 (UTC)
  • Dchall1: Please provide an explanation as to how the article violates WP:MUSIC to support your delete assertion. Omotorwayo (talk) 23:15, 15 December 2007 (UTC)

Uhh... so three record labels run by other people are self-sourced? I follow that logic 100%!

at this point i could care less if the page gets deleted because everyone here has proven to be so disgustingly ignorant of IDM/Electronic music that having a page on here would be bad for the artist's image.

  • Keep - The article clearly states that the artist has engaged in an international tour, and therefore passes WP:MUSIC. - Philippe | Talk 18:05, 16 December 2007 (UTC)
  • Delete - despite the numerous references in the article, I see one that would be considered a reliable source. -- Whpq (talk) 21:33, 18 December 2007 (UTC)


The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.