Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Crasniye Solleetsi
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- The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.
The result was merge back into Psi-Force. Sandstein 16:14, 18 February 2007 (UTC)
[edit] Crasniye Solleetsi
nonverifiable reference to Marvel Comics. Absent on the offficial ,website, only 2-3 weird websites. `'mikka 23:07, 12 February 2007 (UTC)
- Delete per nomination.Inkpaduta 23:24, 12 February 2007 (UTC)
- Merge back into Psi-Force where all other minor characters from that comic title are listed. -Markeer 00:30, 13 February 2007 (UTC)
- Keep, is my first instinct, but I should disclose I'm the one to write it, and I'm generally inclusionist. I'd also be fine with merging as listed above - the only reason I went the whole article route was because someone else had a suggestion somewhere (can't find it now, though) that a page be created for the team (and perhaps for the Medusa Web as well), being major adversaries for Psi-Force. Not sure what you mean by an nonverifiable reference to Marvel Comics, though - everything in there is readily verifiable by anyone who reads the comics (and, given the much higher sales-required-to-avoid-cancellation numbers of the 80s, there might well be more of those comics out there than many current ones. ;)). Wandering Ghost 00:45, 13 February 2007 (UTC)
- Keep, at least for the moment. I've got some of the comics somewhere and I'm happy to add some citations and issue numbers to help verify this. There might be a case for merging this back into Psi-Force... but I don't think deletion is appropriate. It might also be worth considering that the New Universe characters are currently being revived and republished with the newuniversal series (as well as some trade paperbacks collecting the older material). I don't want to stray into WP:CRYSTAL territory, but I'd be tempted to delay any merge a little, just to get a better feel how that turns out. --Mrph 08:14, 13 February 2007 (UTC)
Comment all keepers fail to address the major issue: wikipedia:Verifiability. I am not a deletionist by nature and I diligently tried to search wed wor each and every weird name in the text. NONE. zilch. zero reliable sources. `'mikka 18:28, 13 February 2007 (UTC)
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- Well, I'll try to find some suitable sources in the next day or so, but in the mean time I've found one www.marvunapp.com profile connected to the team - Dehman Doosha. Probably the most notable character connected to the team would have been Rodstvow - and again, although it's not an acceptable reference for Wikipedia purposes, search google groups for "Psi-Force" and "Rodstvow" and you'll find a few old New Universe posts relating to "Russian psychics", "soviet super folks" and "soviet super heroes" - they'd be references to Crasniye Solleetsi. As noted, I'll see if I can find some acceptable sources, but I suspect these will mostly be issue references, not online material. --Mrph 19:38, 13 February 2007 (UTC)
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- Well, to my knowledge, there's nothing in Verifiability that suggests that information has to be verifiable online, just as long as it's verifiable. The information comes from primary sources - the text of the comics itself, which is okay so long as no interpretation is there (though yes, it should be cited, and I'll also get started on that), and which, if I'm not mistaken, is frequently the often-unstated source for pages based on fictional stuff. The fact that it doesn't have much presence on the web might count against it notability wise, but again, I'd prefer Wikipedia to be inclusive, especially with respect to things like imprints a publisher is no longer really using from the time before ubiquitous internet. The wiki community should have enough people who own and have ready access to any particular comic, even obscure ones, that information about it can be verified. Wandering Ghost 21:45, 13 February 2007 (UTC)
- If you personally confirm that the information comes from the comics, I will believe you. But I don't believe any other strange website. For example, what the heck is this www.marvunapp.com ? Does it have a reputation? I also extremely suspicious about the names of charachers. It is a very corrupted Russian. I doubt professionals did not check with Russian speakers, unless it was done intentionally. `'mikka 22:13, 13 February 2007 (UTC)
- Comment - Fabian Nicieza definitely messed up on that - I think it got some comments at the time (specifically regarding Rodstvow, but I'm not surprised to hear that the others are just as bad) --Mrph 22:24, 13 February 2007 (UTC)
- Still another suspicion is extremely low google hit rate. Usually fans duplicate such things all over the web, even with the most minor characters. `'mikka 22:08, 13 February 2007 (UTC)
- If you personally confirm that the information comes from the comics, I will believe you. But I don't believe any other strange website. For example, what the heck is this www.marvunapp.com ? Does it have a reputation? I also extremely suspicious about the names of charachers. It is a very corrupted Russian. I doubt professionals did not check with Russian speakers, unless it was done intentionally. `'mikka 22:13, 13 February 2007 (UTC)
- Well, to my knowledge, there's nothing in Verifiability that suggests that information has to be verifiable online, just as long as it's verifiable. The information comes from primary sources - the text of the comics itself, which is okay so long as no interpretation is there (though yes, it should be cited, and I'll also get started on that), and which, if I'm not mistaken, is frequently the often-unstated source for pages based on fictional stuff. The fact that it doesn't have much presence on the web might count against it notability wise, but again, I'd prefer Wikipedia to be inclusive, especially with respect to things like imprints a publisher is no longer really using from the time before ubiquitous internet. The wiki community should have enough people who own and have ready access to any particular comic, even obscure ones, that information about it can be verified. Wandering Ghost 21:45, 13 February 2007 (UTC)
- The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.
