Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Craig Westphal
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- The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.
The result was delete. - Mailer Diablo 14:10, 25 August 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Craig Westphal
An article about a 5-time Jeopardy! winner. Doesn't seem to be particularly notable, unless he should win the next Tournament of Champions. Tinlinkin 07:59, 20 August 2006 (UTC)
- Delete as per WP:NN ST47 11:40, 20 August 2006 (UTC)
- Keep as is, or create a list of 5+ Jeopardy champs and merge Westphal's info into it. Just think, if he was a minor Survivor contestant, we wouldn't be having this discussion. --CharlotteWebb 14:12, 20 August 2006 (UTC)
- Survivor has 16 contestants a season; Jeopardy! has over 400. Minor contestants on Jeopardy! do not get thrust into the public limelight; minor contestants on Survivor are. I implore you to rethink your reasoning based upon this information. Andy Saunders 13:26, 22 August 2006 (UTC)
- Delete as non-notable. Most contestants on traditional game shows like Jeopardy receive a lot less public attention than most contestants on reality shows like Survivor; there are a few exceptions but Westphal does not appear to be one of them. --Metropolitan90 16:45, 20 August 2006 (UTC)
- That sounds like the very definition of systemic bias. --CharlotteWebb 18:10, 20 August 2006 (UTC)
- I disagree. Both Survivor and Jeopardy! are U.S. television shows and accessible to the same viewers. But the content of Survivor is much more focused on the personalities of the contestants relative to Jeopardy!, which focuses more on the answers/questions, which is why more Survivor contestants get asked to appear on other television shows or appear in movies than Jeopardy! contestants. If we had articles about contestants on Survivor but refused to include articles about contestants on Chinese reality shows of similar relative popularity, that would be systemic bias. --Metropolitan90 03:35, 21 August 2006 (UTC)
- Perhaps then, this has more to do with the difference beween notability and importance. Presumably the first contestant to get voted off the sunny island of [wherever] appears in one, maybe two, episodes, and doesn't win a penny, yet somehow he's more culturally significant than a 5-time Jeopardy champion? Maybe so, but it ain't right. --CharlotteWebb 00:02, 22 August 2006 (UTC)
- Technically, all Survivor contestants are supposed to get a consolation prize in increasing value from the time they were voted off (wish I could say the same for America's Got Talent), but, of course, that's beside the point. One reason I voted this article for deletion was because there seems to be no precedent for including articles about Jeopardy! non-tournament winners and minor record holders. But I have since found Tom Walsh and Brian Weikle, and their AfDs: Tom Walsh's AfD resulted in "no consensus" and Brian Weikle's AfD resulted in "merge".
Perhaps I would now call merge for this article. (I am not withdrawing this nom at this point.) How Westphal could be merged, I don't know, but it would likely be in the upcoming Tournament of Champions.Tinlinkin 10:07, 22 August 2006 (UTC)- Tinlin, Both Brian Weikle and Tom Walsh were record holders at one point; they held the regular season winnings record on the show for a time. Westphal, on the other hand, did not. Andy Saunders 13:28, 22 August 2006 (UTC)
- Thanks for clarifying that. Even more reason that he's not notable Tinlinkin 07:26, 25 August 2006 (UTC)
- Tinlin, Both Brian Weikle and Tom Walsh were record holders at one point; they held the regular season winnings record on the show for a time. Westphal, on the other hand, did not. Andy Saunders 13:28, 22 August 2006 (UTC)
- Technically, all Survivor contestants are supposed to get a consolation prize in increasing value from the time they were voted off (wish I could say the same for America's Got Talent), but, of course, that's beside the point. One reason I voted this article for deletion was because there seems to be no precedent for including articles about Jeopardy! non-tournament winners and minor record holders. But I have since found Tom Walsh and Brian Weikle, and their AfDs: Tom Walsh's AfD resulted in "no consensus" and Brian Weikle's AfD resulted in "merge".
- Perhaps then, this has more to do with the difference beween notability and importance. Presumably the first contestant to get voted off the sunny island of [wherever] appears in one, maybe two, episodes, and doesn't win a penny, yet somehow he's more culturally significant than a 5-time Jeopardy champion? Maybe so, but it ain't right. --CharlotteWebb 00:02, 22 August 2006 (UTC)
- I disagree. Both Survivor and Jeopardy! are U.S. television shows and accessible to the same viewers. But the content of Survivor is much more focused on the personalities of the contestants relative to Jeopardy!, which focuses more on the answers/questions, which is why more Survivor contestants get asked to appear on other television shows or appear in movies than Jeopardy! contestants. If we had articles about contestants on Survivor but refused to include articles about contestants on Chinese reality shows of similar relative popularity, that would be systemic bias. --Metropolitan90 03:35, 21 August 2006 (UTC)
- That sounds like the very definition of systemic bias. --CharlotteWebb 18:10, 20 August 2006 (UTC)
- Delete not notable outside of jeopardy. DrunkenSmurf 16:47, 20 August 2006 (UTC)
- Strong Delete; Craig Westphal is hardly notable inside the Jeopardy! canon, let alone outside of it. Andy Saunders 13:24, 22 August 2006 (UTC)
- Delete per Andy Sanuders. Five-time winners are hardly a new thing. Ral315 (talk) 16:06, 22 August 2006 (UTC)
- Delete for reasons given above. Wesmills 22:18, 22 August 2006 (UTC)
- Delete per above. Naconkantari 20:26, 24 August 2006 (UTC)
- The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.
