Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Craig Elliott

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The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was delete. Particularly after considering single purpose account involvement and arguments for deletion (WP:BIO). IronGargoyle 16:04, 17 July 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Craig Elliott

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This person seems to have a successful career and has worked in the art departments of recognised productions, but notability required for an individual article has not been established through verifiable sources. The books are self-published through his own Aristata Publishing.[1] They have attracted minimal interest with only 22 Google hits, mostly book seller sites.[2] What emerges is a bronze medal, inclusion in year books and comic book work, which does not seem sufficient. The wording "featured in" and "can be seen in" does not instill confidence. Tyrenius 01:24, 9 July 2007 (UTC)

  • Keep, based on the article and everything in it, I'm sorry to disagree with the nominating editor. I think he is notable. Callelinea 01:40, 9 July 2007 (UTC)
  • Delete per Tyrenius. Seems to be a reasonably successful illustrator, notability needs to be more firmly established. Modernist 03:00, 9 July 2007 (UTC)
  • Delete Reads like a CV or autobiography. He's a solid professional, but not an encyclopedic subject. Hawkestone 13:46, 9 July 2007 (UTC)
  • Keep This is my first article on the Wikipedia, and I'm still adding/editing this page. To respond to the request for deletion, I have pulled some of my information from a TV inteview, magazine and newspaper articles that I am having trouble finding links to online. I will add the references without links to online versions of the articles. Also, this artist is very well known within the Fantasy Art and Illustration world. I would not describe the Spectrum books as "yearbooks", but a well established industry source for the most notable Fantasy artists. Additionally, the Spectum show at the NY Society of Illustrators was quite a prestigous event. Craig Elliott's work was shown in the same venue as Norman Rockwell and N C Wyeth. Additionally, Visual development is quite a different discipline than say, an animator or others who work in an art department. The visual development people actually conceptualize and create the movies from their art. Treasure Planet was nominated for an Academy Award for best Feature Animation. Since much of his work has been for Disney, I felt he was notable as an artist. And, yes, the Aprhodesia contest books are self-published but do not feature his work, but are only edited by him. The 4 Spectrum books, Treasure Planet: Voyage of Discovery, and the Harlan Ellison books were not. I am still figuring out how to create this page, please bear with me. How can I improve this article to make sure it reads more encyclopedic? Groupiegirl 16:43, 9 July 2007(UTC)
    I went back and added all my magazine references from printed materials. Please see revised References section. I hope these will suffice as verifiable sources. I re-read the article and would like some suggestions for re-wording the "featured in" and "can be seen in". I'm not sure how else to word this to make it more acceptable. In response to Hawkstone, my article is not an autobiography, I am just an admirer of his work, and have seen his name in print in many magazines. As far as notability, it seems that an artist whose work has been used to design so many of Disney Feature Animation films (each of which have their own Wikipedia page) should have a reference to his/her life and work. Many other Disney artists and animators have entries in Wikipedia. It is sad that the actresses and actors who are part of these films are "famous" enough for Wikipedia pages, but the actual artists who create the films themselves are not deemed notable enough. I think that Craig Elliot is not only notable for his contributions to contemporary animated films, but also for his work as a fine artist and fantasy illustrator. Groupiegirl 18:23, 9 July 2007 (UTC)
    After doing a bit more research, I'd like to add these links as support. The following artists with Wikipedia pages are all considered contemporaries or producing art at (or arguably below, in some cases) the same level as Craig Elliott. Kinuko Y. Craft, Brom, Iain McCaig, Amy Brown, John Jude Palencar, Julie Bell, John Berkey, Thomas Blackshear, Frank Cho, Vincent Di Fate.Groupiegirl 20:26, 9 July 2007 (UTC)
    Sorry, one last thing to add... I apologize for adding this page to the List of American Artists page- you can chalk that up to me being a newbie. But I don't think that this merits the entire entry to be deleted. I think it is more appropriate on the List of Illustrators along with the other contemporaries I listed above. Thanks!
    Groupiegirl 22:04, 9 July 2007 (UTC)
User's only edits are to this article and wikilinks to it. -- Tyrenius 18:03, 9 July 2007 (UTC)
  • KEEP. Craig Elliott could not be listed on IMDB.com if he was not a legitimate artist, which is more closely vetted than Wikipedia. He is a member of the Society of Illustrators, a highly respected membership that is referral-based from a longstanding list of great American artists. He is also one of the most sought-after visual development artist in Hollywood and I am confident Craig could provide you references from Disney, Pixar, Dream Works, ILM (Industrial Light & Magic), Bee Movie creator Jerry Seinfeld, Dream Works president/owner Jeffrey Katzenberg, talent Siegfried & Roy, actress Mayim Bialik (Blossom/Curb Your Enthusiasm), directors Ron Clements and John Musker and world-renowned illustrators who consider Craig Elliott to be one of their own comtemporaries including Frank Frazetta, Dave Dorman, Joe Chiodo, Kent Williams, Greg Hildebrandt, Brom, Julie Bell, etc. Craig Elliott is also affiliated with Hollywood's Gnomon School of Visual Effects and the Pasadena Arts Center, where he is a part-time instructor. (The Pasadena Arts Center, oft-cited as the best art school in the U.S. is a $36k/year school, who also carefully vets their instructors and would not hire a non-artist to teach their students.)-- User: Denise Dorman —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Denise Dorman (talk • contribs).
User's first edit. -- Tyrenius 18:03, 9 July 2007 (UTC)
  • Comment Anybody can be listed on IMDb - anybody. You don't even need a credit. Being listed on IMDb is absolutely, positively, NO assertion of notability whatsoever. --Charlene 19:24, 9 July 2007 (UTC)
  • Comment Re: IMDB -Being listed and having credit are 2 different things. If you look in the database, this person does have credits in addition to being listed. Submitted credits are verified by IMDB before they allow them to appear in the database.

From IMDB: [3]

  • Comment - I understand his work is in various magazines, are any of those magazines notable? That is to say, does he have any reviews or interviews in magazines that are clearly notable (say, they have wikipedia pages, or some other type of notability)? Smmurphy(Talk) 00:49, 17 July 2007 (UTC)
  • Comment Having just re-read the article, I can see that he has contributed to notable creations, but I still remain to be convinced that he has stood out in a way that has given him individual notability. Note also that reference "[11] Interview on Bianca Rossini Show [4]" goes to a page that does not mention him. Tyrenius 01:07, 17 July 2007 (UTC)
  • Delete WP:BIO per nom Giggy UCP 05:13, 17 July 2007 (UTC)
The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.