Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Craig Cole

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The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was delete. —Centrx→talk • 13:00, 12 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Craig Cole

Craig Cole (edit|talk|history|links|watch|logs)

Wrestler is not notable - article appears to be a vanity article CURSE OF FENRIC home talk usage 21:32, 4 January 2007 (UTC)

  • Comment I don't know about this subject so I won't vote quite yet, but the claim that he won a "PCW Championship" isn't notable? Tarinth 22:39, 4 January 2007 (UTC)
  • Comment Not if PCW isn't notable, which isn't completely clear from its page. It had 5 minutes of fame, and since then? Regards, Ben Aveling 11:17, 7 January 2007 (UTC)
  • Note: This debate has been included in the list of Australia-related deletions. Regards, Ben Aveling 11:29, 7 January 2007 (UTC)
  • Delete Google turns up very few results for "Craig Cole"+wrestler, I get more results encouraging me to fight pit bulls, completely fails WP:BIO, can't find any reliable sources. (Side note - the fun fact is just gross) Firelement85 23:10, 7 January 2007 (UTC)
  • Delete per nom - violates WP:VAIN Nick 02:42, 9 January 2007 (UTC)
  • I think this is the most relevant section of WP:BIO:
    • Sportspeople/athletes/competitors who have played in a fully professional league, or a competition of equivalent standing in a non-league sport such as swimming, or at the highest level in mainly amateur sports or other competitive activities that are themselves considered notable, including college sports in the United States. Articles about first team squad members who have not made a first team appearance may also be appropriate, but only if the individual is at a club of sufficient stature that most members of its squad are worthy of articles. Third-party verification from a non-trivial publication outside of publications by sponsors of the sport or activity should be provided to demonstrate that the subject is widely recognized—meeting the first criterion—as performing in a fully professional league or at the highest level.
If wrestling in Australia is notable, then I suspect this guy may be notable, by WP:BIO. It's not a very high standard, probably lower than I'd set, but I suspect he meets it (though I'd like to see some more sources to be 100% sure of WP:V. To be sure, there are a lot of other pages with less claim to exist than this does.
I guess I'm going to ask one question before I make up my mind.
Is this guy one of the top 10 most notable people in Australian Professional Wrestling? If so, how can we be reasonable confident of that? Regards, Ben Aveling 12:24, 9 January 2007 (UTC)
No he's not, Ben. Far from it. 124.181.204.208 21:40, 9 January 2007 (UTC)
Comment he's a Pro-wrestler, not a wrestler. As such he is an entertainer not a sportsman.Garrie 23:21, 10 January 2007 (UTC)
Probably true. In that case, you'd probably have to use one of the following criteria:
  • The person has been the primary subject of multiple non-trivial published works whose source is independent of the person
  • The person made a widely recognized contribution that is part of the enduring historical record in their specific field.
  • Widely recognized entertainment personalities and opinion makers (e.g., - Hollywood Walk of Fame)
  • Notable actors and television personalities who have appeared in well-known films or television productions.
There's no obvious claim to any of those things in the article. The strongest claims are probably in the following sentances "He won the PCW Heavyweight Championship after defeating Wog Warrior in May 2005 at PCW's most important show, Carnage. He is currently a trainer at the PCW Wrestling School." Is the PCW heavyweight championship especially important? No idea. Or does his role as a trainer mean he is a significant player in the development of wrestling in Australia? Again, no idea. He doesn't seem to be mentioned in Professional wrestling in Australia, if that says anything. So on balance, I'm leaning towards delete without predjudice, more on the grounds of lack of evidence of notability than anything else. Regards, Ben Aveling 09:17, 11 January 2007 (UTC)
The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.