Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Coyotes in popular culture

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The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was Keep per consensus and edits that have raised the article to the Heymann standard. This close is not in prejudice to any other article about penguins, beagles, rabbits, etc., nor any future AfD in a few months to this article. Bearian 17:41, 3 October 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Coyotes in popular culture

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Very trivial and unsourced dumping ground for any mention of a Coyote in popular culture. RobJ1981 23:14, 29 September 2007 (UTC)

  • Keep and/or merge into both Coyote the animal and the mythological figure. Agree it needs a massive clanup though. cheers, Casliber (talk · contribs) 23:21, 29 September 2007 (UTC)
  • Keep Some parts of this are actually rather well done, and a good sign that the rest can be improved. Sufficient for its own article. There is no hard and fast rule for when a separate article is appropriate, 00:51, 30 September 2007 (UTC)
  • Keep, because a well-organized, encyclopedic article that can be only be improved. Also, Barnes & Nobles has a whole category for them: [1]. Best, --Le Grand Roi des CitrouillesTally-ho! 01:00, 30 September 2007 (UTC)
  • Delete Another one of those IPC "I saw a coyote on tv" pages. Coyotes are notable, sure, but the issue here is determining whether their role in popular culture is notable for an article, and it is not. Violates the pillars of WP, various trivia guidelines, and so forth. About 100 IPC articles have been deleted already, and this is no better than those deleted already. Dannycali 02:49, 30 September 2007 (UTC)
  • Neutral Coyote (mythology) seems to do the article's job. Then again this article can be improved and renamed Cultural depictions of Coyotes--Lenticel (talk) 04:50, 30 September 2007 (UTC)
  • I saw Coyotes in popular culture run off the side of a cliff, but it didn't fall right away. Then, a roadrunner walked up behind it and said, "Meep meep!", and then this article looked around, realized there was no solid ground underneath it, and plummeted down to the ground. OK, never mind. This particular "In popular culture" article has more behind it than just the standard "The Simpsons" and "Family Guy" references. The references in literature and sports make this article worthwhile. My opinion is to keep this article, so it doesn't get smashed by a truck marked "Acme". --Elkman (Elkspeak) 04:56, 30 September 2007 (UTC)
  • Keep Wily Coyotes were already a part of American Indian mythology centuries before the Road Runner cartoons. And unlike a road runner, coyotes continue to be an allegorical symbol for slyness, a meaner counterpart to foxes. Mandsford 15:39, 30 September 2007 (UTC)
  • The significance of coyotes to Native American mythology is well-covered in Coyote (mythology) which will remain undisturbed by this AFD, so arguing to keep on that basis is without foundation. Otto4711 16:26, 1 October 2007 (UTC)
  • Delete - directory of loosely associate topics. Many if not most of the keep !votes appear to be based on the notability of the coyote. Agreed, both the coyote and the mythological representations of the coyote are notable. That does not mean that a list of every fictional coyote or every fictional thing that's called coyote but may not be a coyote or every song that happens to be called "Coyote" whether the song has anything whatsoever to do with coyotes is notable. Otto4711 17:57, 30 September 2007 (UTC)
  • ACME keep Artw 18:37, 1 October 2007 (UTC)
  • Weak keep The coyote article is about the animal, the mythological article is about beliefs and mythos, this article is about noting the pop-culture bridge between the two. It certainly could have a few more pertinent references (and a few less video game references), but that's a per-article editorial issue, one that can't be solved by AfD. Any ideas on improving this list, to show how it's slightly different than Crabgrass in popular culture or Naval lint in Popular culture, seeing as how those lack the same level of historical and cultural mythos? Ronabop 07:40, 2 October 2007 (UTC)
I was WP:BOLD and yanked, well, a bunch of 'oh, a coyote' references. Ronabop 08:02, 2 October 2007 (UTC)
The same exact argument was made at the AfD for Penguins in popular culture. I'll give the same response: ::the opposite of otherjunkexists, is otherthingsweredeleted. Quite a lot of good articles have been deleted due to lack of attention to them, in popular culture and many unrelated topics. "Beagles" can be seen at User:AndyJones/Beagle in popular culture--it's a much less extensive article than this. If anyone wants the other two userified, let me know. "Walrus" is a little skimpy, but there are some references; "Cattle" is actually a rather good article, and someone might well want to trim it of the junkier part and try again. DGG (talk) 00:07, 3 October 2007 (UTC)
  • Comment Of note is geographical, and resulting cultural, disparity, even within a single en namespace. Growing up in Tucson, Arizona, I saw 3-5 coyotes a day, and my social and cultural mental space has reflected that. There are articles in the uk-en namespace that mean absolutely nothing to me such as British_half_penny_coin, or this loser teenager Prince_William who has done absolutely nothing notable (compared to other teens), which I would sooner delete as totally trivial wasteful nonsense, were I not aware that what is trivial to one english speaker is extremely notable to another. That being said, I didn't see a whole lot of Walruses growing up, or for that matter Cows or even Penguins, so, they must not be important enough for me to vote upon? Ronabop 05:55, 3 October 2007 (UTC)
  • Delete- my vote is the same as for every arbitrary list like this, for the same reasons expressed above by the delete faction. Never ending, pointless list. What is next, "List of dogs shown in Popular Culture? (ie books/TV/film/cartoons/parades/muscials/whatever).JJJ999 05:40, 3 October 2007 (UTC)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/List_of_stuff - this is how bad these lists have gotten... and some of the same old faces still vote keep!JJJ999 05:50, 3 October 2007 (UTC)

  • Delete - there is nothing that ties this list together; there is nothing notable about this type of list and it can not be completed and will always be never ending. --Storm Rider (talk) 05:55, 3 October 2007 (UTC)
Comment I'm trying to tie the list together by focusing on pop culture references which use the North American archetype of coyote, hence my deletions. That being said, a merge with Coyote mythos does have a point. Ronabop 06:02, 3 October 2007 (UTC)
  • Keep, Articles like this are exactly the kind of thing Wikipedia excels in. You can either like that or not, but if we delete all the excellent articles on perhaps slightly trivial, but nonetheless interesting topics, not much will be left here to read. --Cpt. Morgan (Reinoutr) 12:22, 3 October 2007 (UTC)
  • No one is suggesting "deleting all the excellent articles." That sort of "oh noes, the sky will fall" argumentation is nonsense. Otto4711 13:35, 3 October 2007 (UTC)
  • Keep. This is worth keeping and improving, with time hopefully will connect the coyote dots before the actual species is eliminated. Benjiboi 12:57, 3 October 2007 (UTC)
The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.