Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Cornell Sherwoods

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The result was Merge to Cornell University Glee Club. —Quarl ^(talk) 2006-12-27 06:00Z

[edit] Cornell Sherwoods

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Prod was contested. College a cappella article which does not meet the notability requirements of WP:MUSIC or the verifiability requirements of WP:RS/WP:NOR/WP:V. The closest they come to a claim to notability is having travelled somewhere. However, these claims can only be sourced to their website (and perhaps their school newspaper); such tours would have to be the subject of non-trivial secondary-sources, which also are required to establish the notability of a group generally. Claims from their own website are insufficient. savidan^{(talk) (e@)} 04:56, 18 December 2006 (UTC)

• Delete as per nom. It's CollegiateACapelladämmerung on Wikipedia!! Bwithh 05:00, 18 December 2006 (UTC)
  • lol. Delete per above. Eusebeus 10:23, 18 December 2006 (UTC)
  • Ahahaha --Dmz5 21:05, 18 December 2006 (UTC)
• Delete per nom Josh Parris#: 06:15, 18 December 2006 (UTC)
• Strong keep A cappella groups have some notability. This group has had serveral albums and many Google hits. A cappella groups are not radio towers. They are established musical organizations. S h a r k f a c e 2 1 7 06:18, 18 December 2006 (UTC)

Copy and paste vote again. Nothing to do with this group. savidan^{(talk) (e@)} 06:19, 18 December 2006 (UTC)

Comment Why was the comment crossed out? Xiner 19:39, 18 December 2006 (UTC)

• Neutral per my copying and pasting. S h a r k f a c e 2 1 7 06:32, 18 December 2006 (UTC)
• Delete per nom. 86 non-wiki ghits. MER-C 06:56, 18 December 2006 (UTC)
• Merge to Cornell University Glee Club. It's odd that savidan would complain about "copy and paste voting" when he just copy-paste AfD'd a series of articles with exactly the same description. For instance, he argues above about the group's "web site," but this group doesn't even have a web site as they ceased to be back in the 70's. With all that said, there's no sense in discarding this particular content when there's a logical home for it at the Glee Club article. JDoorjam Talk 07:04, 18 December 2006 (UTC)

I've already resolved the copy and paste issue with sharkface. This article does have an external link to the hangover's article which I mistook for their own website. Honestly, though, that just makes their notability worse. savidan^{(talk) (e@)} 07:12, 18 December 2006 (UTC)

Having taken a second look at the gleeclub article, I'd be amicable to a merge, although, given the lack of reliable sources for most of the info in this article, I imagine that the amounnt of material in it that I think is suitable for merging is much less than you would like to merge. savidan^{(talk) (e@)} 07:18, 18 December 2006 (UTC)

• Comment It is as valid to cut and paste the same comment on a series of mass produced AfDs, if it fits each one, as it is to say 'delete per nom' or to cut and paste the AfDs. Edison 18:59, 18 December 2006 (UTC)

It is. My main objection was that the vote claimed to be specific to the group in question (i.e. albums plus g-hits). savidan^{(talk) (e@)} 23:13, 18 December 2006 (UTC)

• Weak keep They had a notable alum, toured internationally and put out numerous albums back when that was an expensive proposition of stamped out vinyl rather than knowing someone whose PC could burn CDs or putting files on a download site. I could only find 1 passing reference in a New York Times article, about an alum. Edison 19:07, 18 December 2006 (UTC)

Passing NYT reference is a perfect example of trivial news coverage, which does not warrant notability. Not every proper noun which recieves passing reference in the NYT should = an article. savidan^{(talk) (e@)} 23:15, 18 December 2006 (UTC)

Comment Please do not keep introducing the same strawman argument of not wanting to create an article for "every proper noun" in a newspaper, when the topic of debate is multiple reliable, verifiable, and independent coverage in more than a passing reference or directory. And please note that I did not characterize the one mention I found as more than a passing reference.Edison 15:43, 19 December 2006 (UTC)

If you agree that it was only a passing reference, and that it doesn't constitute notability, that's fine. I thought it was implied in your post (being as you voted keep) that you thought the substance of your comment justified your vote. If however, that was just an aside, I won't press the issue. savidan^{(talk) (e@)} 21:38, 19 December 2006 (UTC)

• Merge per the above, and note my comment about the Chord on Blues that touring for an a cappella group might not necessarily be a guarantor of notability.--Dmz5 20:23, 18 December 2006 (UTC)

If it's merged, none of the uncited information about the group should be merged. savidan^{(talk) (e@)} 23:15, 18 December 2006 (UTC)

As a former college singer I am sort of taking it upon myself to fix a lot of these articles (various glee clubs and the like) and I'm trying to drum up other people to help find citations, remove promo material, etc. If/when this article ends up getting absorbed back into the Cornell Glee Club page it will be in a well-cited form, I promise.--Dmz5 03:10, 19 December 2006 (UTC)

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