Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Coptic Rain

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The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was delete, but without prejudice for recreation of sources can be found. If anybody finds sources and wants to re-create, feel free to contact me for the text of the deleted article. Sarcasticidealist (talk) 21:45, 23 March 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Coptic Rain

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Not notable, underground band. Eleassar my talk 10:13, 15 March 2008 (UTC)

  • Weak keep They seem to have had multiple releases on notable labels, thus satisfying criterion #5 of WP:MUSIC. However, I'm coming up with bupkis in the sourcing department right now. Ten Pound Hammer and his otters • (Broken clamshells•Otter chirps) 11:49, 15 March 2008 (UTC)
  • Delete then; I'm trusting the nom's judgment regarding the utter lack of sources here. This is a pretty good example of how WP:MUSIC isn't chiseled in stone. Ten Pound Hammer and his otters • (Broken clamshells•Otter chirps) 15:53, 15 March 2008 (UTC)
  • Comment - If no independent sources can be found then the article should not exist; however, I'm a little sceptical about the nominator's insistence that "there are no independent reliable sources" if this is intended to mean that none exist at all. (If all it means is that none are in the article, no problem). I'd be cautious about bands from non-English speaking nations; such sources may be hard to find online especially in an English-language Google search). Matthew Brown (Morven) (T:C) 07:10, 16 March 2008 (UTC)
References can be found to support what is written currently. That's pretty scarce and does not make for a decent article. I have not been able to find more coverage neither in English nor in Slovene to confirm the band's notability. This seems suspect to me as it is in general not hard to find information about notable Slovene bands and musicians online.
That's what Katrin Radman (the singer) said about publishing abroad: "In the beginning of 1990s it was almost impossible to expect to be even listened by any domestic label yet even be published. The genre we have envisioned the project Coptic Rain should represent practically did not exist in Slovenia at that time or was listened to only in narrow, almost chosen circles. A realization of such a project is difficult so it was natural for us to contact foreign labels, especially the German ones, which are considered to be the main ones for this style of music." (Rockobrobje/Rock's Fringe). If this makes the band notable, ok then. By the way, as of december 2005 (after 12 years from the establishment), this band had no more than 5 (five) concerts! (Radio Študent) --Eleassar my talk 10:42, 16 March 2008 (UTC)
  • Keep - they are one of the pioneers of industrial gothic metal in that part of the Europe (ex Yugoslavia).J3az6u (talk) 18:58, 18 March 2008 (UTC)
    • If that is indeed the case, there should be independent, third party sources stating this... I see no such citation in this article. In fact, as it is currently written, the article falls well short of WP:MUSIC as it makes no real attempt to demonstrate it. Delete unless the article is "upgraded" to comply. B.Wind (talk) 04:45, 22 March 2008 (UTC)
  • Delete without prejudice for recreation with sources. Blast Ulna (talk) 13:33, 22 March 2008 (UTC)
  • Keep - but this article still needs more fixing work , a tag over the article will be enough . seems to be notable . Pearll's sun (talk) 13:35, 22 March 2008 (UTC)
  • relist for a consensus to be reached . needs more editors to comment . Pearll's sun (talk) 13:38, 22 March 2008 (UTC)
  • Comment - Independent sources of the article:

http://www.wrappedinwire.com/C/CopticRain.htm

http://www.allmusic.com/cg/amg.dll?p=amg&sql=10:hpfqxqehldje~T1

http://www.aracnet.com/~jester/review/coptic.rain-1.html

http://www.aracnet.com/~jester/review/coptic.rain-2.html

http://www.mladina.si/tednik/200116/clanek/plosce-04/

http://www.studiod.si/si/novice/glasba/?oid=4451

http://www.mladina.si/tednik/200226/clanek/plosce-02/

http://www.adp.fdv.uni-lj.si/kiber/texts/ravesu/ravesu.html

http://www.platinum-celebs.com/song/324405/across-the-universe/

J3az6u (talk) 18:28, 22 March 2008 (UTC)

  • (not even getting into the issue as to how many of these come from reliable sources) How many of these have actually been cited in the article (and not just dumped into a list of links at the bottom of the page)? B.Wind (talk) 19:33, 22 March 2008 (UTC)
  • What about WP:MUSIC - Has released two or more albums on a major label or one of the more important indie labels - Dynamica/Machinery Records -J3az6u (talk) 19:51, 22 March 2008 (UTC)
  • Comment - Dynamica is a part of Noise Records (Germany). Noise Records is a part of Sanctuary Records. Sanctuary Records is a record label based in the United Kingdom and a subsidiary of Universal Records. Until June 2007, it was the largest independent record label in the UK and the largest independent music management company in the world. So, the band pass WP:MUSIC, line 5 - Has released two or more albums on a major label or one of the more important indie labels. - J3az6u (talk) 16:23, 23 March 2008 (UTC)
The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.