Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Continuing Time (author's timeline)

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result of the debate was delete. Johnleemk | Talk 14:43, 29 March 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Continuing Time (author's timeline)

Not encyclopedic Tom Harrison ^Talk 03:09, 23 March 2006 (UTC)

• Comment There is a notice at the end of the page that says, “The preceding is copyright 1994 by Daniel Keys Moran. It may be disseminated freely so long as the information contained herein is not altered in any way. The author can be reached at D.MORAN8@GENIE.GEIS.COM.” I do not think those conditions are compatible with release under the GFDL. The author seems to be trying to use this page as a vehicle to promote his work. Tom Harrison ^Talk 03:13, 23 March 2006 (UTC)
  • Comment: I don’t think the author is trying to use this page; the text was added by MJBurrage. However, the concern about non-GFDL content stands. -- Mithent 03:16, 23 March 2006 (UTC)
    • Comment: DKM got off the net about two years ago, so he can’t possibly be engaging in self-promotion. Nonetheless, I’d like someone to discuss copyright issues here -- is DKM’s current license compatible with the GFDL? If not, someone would need to contact him and get his permission to post this on Wikipedia. I’m a fan of the Continuing Time, and I'd like to vote keep, but I can’t as long as copyvio concerns hang like a sword of Damocles over that section.
    • The rest of the article (the stuff aside from the list) is *not* written by DKM, has no possible copyright problems, and should be kept. Alba 03:23, 23 March 2006 (UTC)
• Transwiki to Wikisource per Ashibaka. Alba 14:39, 23 March 2006 (UTC)
• Delete: Wikisource material, not an encyclopedia article. Ashibaka tock 03:25, 23 March 2006 (UTC)
• Comment: The list of 7 items, the timeline, and the release were all written by DKM, all I did was format it to fit wikipedia’s style, and post it. The list of items seems appropriate to the entry Daniel Keys Moran, and the timeline seems very appropriate to an entry on his work. (the latter of which I was going to work on this weekend as I reread the books. I only posted both parts together because it seemed like the proper way to fit DKM’s own release (freely disseminate, but do not change the information) to the wikipedia policy. (I only changed the formatting). Keep —MJBurrage 06:48, 23 March 2006 (UTC)
• Delete, text that cannot be altered should usually not be posted to Wikipedia, especially when it makes up the bulk of the article's content. A quote might be acceptable depending on its length. As stated before, this is more Wikisource material, but I don't know if it is compatible with their license, either. -- Kjkolb 07:28, 23 March 2006 (UTC)
• Delete as copyvio incompatible with GFDL. Contrary to MJBurrage, the essence of the GFDL is that any author is allowed to alter any other author's contribution for any reason, so long as the various versions are properly attributed. DKM's self-imposed conditions are incompatible with the GFDL, meaing the article would have to be permanently protected (a bad precedent to set) or deleted. Thatcher131 09:24, 23 March 2006 (UTC)
• Strong delete, incompatible with Wikipedia and the GFDL. the wub "?!" 12:12, 23 March 2006 (UTC)

• Rereading the editing portion of the GFDL, I can see the problem.
  Would using just the timeline information in a wikipedia article about the Continuing Time be fair use?
  What are the copyright issues for moving this to Wikisource? (which I am unfamiliar with)
  —MJBurrage 19:41, 23 March 2006 (UTC)

I don't think this is what Wikisource includes. If it's available on line, maybe we could just link to it and provide a brief summary. Tom Harrison ^Talk 19:52, 23 March 2006 (UTC)

• Delete, every edit page has "If you don't want your writing to be edited mercilessly or redistributed by others, do not submit it." in bold. -- Jeandré, 2006-03-23t20:27z
• Delete. Never mind the degree to which this might not be currently accurate; heck, GEnie shut down several years ago. RGTraynor 21:37, 23 March 2006 (UTC)
• Delete per the wub. KillerChihuahua^?!? 00:23, 24 March 2006 (UTC)
• Delete per Thatcher131 and Jeandré -- ClarkBHM 05:21, 29 March 2006 (UTC)
• Delete. — Mar. 29, '06 [06:44] <freakofnur_xture|talk>

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.