Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Constitutional Monarchy Association

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was Merge to International Monarchist League. —Quarl ^(talk) 2006-12-28 13:48Z

[edit] Constitutional Monarchy Association

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Delete - I place the "mergeto" tag on this article a month ago, but looking again realised that if the Association's journal was mentioned in International Monarchist League (its parent organisation), that would actually do the trick. The article was created on 16 May 2006 and has not been edited or expanded since. It has been tagged as unreferenced since the day it was created. The association is not notable, it would seem, and is merely an offshoot of the aforementioned Monarchist League. It doesn't need its own article - there simply isn't anything verifiable to say about it, it would seem. --SandyDancer 00:41, 23 December 2006 (UTC)

• Delete per nom or redirect to International Monarchist League.--John Lake 02:41, 23 December 2006 (UTC)

I would support redirect as John suggests. --SandyDancer 03:27, 23 December 2006 (UTC)

• Keep. The group is sometimes called upon by the media to give a response to an anti-monarchist statement, since Buckingham Palace prefers to say "No comment". I added as references two newspaper articles which quote the association in this context. This may address the concerns about verifiability and notability. --Eastmain 03:56, 23 December 2006 (UTC)
• Merge and redirect to International Monarchist League, which has the same offices and leadership and function. This seems like an inappropriate use of AFD. --Dhartung | Talk 07:47, 23 December 2006 (UTC)
• Keep - Multiple non-trivial mainstream media references. A real group often called on to respond to republican criticisms, and republicans criticise them by name. JASpencer 11:43, 23 December 2006 (UTC)

Comment They are also a seperate function from the Monarchist League as they are focussed on Commonwealth countries and they seem to have branches (Edinburgh and Lothian is quoted). Tory Reform Group, Conservative Mainstream and the Conservative Group for Europe all share the same offices but merit seperate entries because on their own they are worthy of seperate entries. The sharing of an office should not be the criteria to delete an article. JASpencer 11:50, 23 December 2006 (UTC)

I am not disputing that they exist and have been referenced in mainstream media a few times. But everything that has (and I think can) be said about them can be said on the page of their parent organisation. That is why merge (which has already happened) and redirect (which hasn't) is the proper solution. --SandyDancer 12:46, 23 December 2006 (UTC)

Then you should withdraw the AfD and put a merge tag on there. I still tink that you'd be wrong, however no one seems to want to delete this article and so an AfD is not for this article. JASpencer 15:53, 23 December 2006 (UTC)

I already did put a merge tag on - read the nomination spiel above. Thing is, no one is concerned with the article because it is clearly going to a perpetual stub of a few lines. So merging is the correct action - which I did, simply by expanding on the reference to this offshoot of the International Monarchist League on the article for that page - here is the diff.

There seems to be a consensus forming for a merge and redirect - do you agree to that too? I expect that will be the outcome of the AFD and that outcome I would support. --SandyDancer 17:07, 23 December 2006 (UTC)

I don't agree to a merger and I don't think that 4 votes against 2 is a concensus. This is not the forum for a merge debate which should be off AfD. JASpencer 17:10, 23 December 2006 (UTC)

Irrespective of forum, if we get the a sensible debate that's what matters. Apart from you and one other user, the users who have particpated want the article to be either deleted or to be a redirect to International Monarchist League (effectively the same thing). --SandyDancer 20:57, 23 December 2006 (UTC)

I concur, this does seem to be a jumble so far. Just H 17:12, 23 December 2006 (UTC)

• Merge per above. Just H 17:09, 23 December 2006 (UTC)
• Delete per nom.Oo7565 20:19, 23 December 2006 (UTC)

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