Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Connections Church

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The result was delete. --Oxymoron⁸³ 09:39, 6 December 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Connections Church

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Page was speedy deleted by me, but a deletion, review correctly argued that the article at least has an assertioon on notability. Still, the assertion is rather weak, and is not supported by any reliable independent sources. Connections Church is apparently a network of churches around the world. Due to the fact that the term "connections Church" is used by many unrelated churches and groups, it is hard to judge the results of a google search. The fact that there are very little results for the pastor Rocky Veach[1] [2] [3], and that none of the few Google News results for "Connections Church" seem to be about this organisation[4], gives the impression that this organisation has not been noted by the outside world yet. The text talks about churches from Anchorage to Colorado, but again, there is no evidence that e.g. the Anchorage church is in any way notable[5]. I know that Google is not the ultimate indicator of notability, but it's up to those wanting to keep the article to provide us with good reliable, independent sources. Fram (talk) 08:51, 30 November 2007 (UTC)

• Delete per WP:ORG, among other things. The page appears to be an advert, and has no independent sources. A notice at the top (which I removed) explaining why it shouldn't be deleted and wasn't an advert kind is a bit desperate. Stifle (talk) 11:34, 30 November 2007 (UTC)
• Delete. Because of the various local churches named ""Connections Church", it is hard to see whether a potential outside source actually does talk about this church. But so far, this article looks like an ad, so it would need a major rewrite to become an acceptable article. --Blanchardb-Me^MyEars_MyMouth-timed 17:32, 30 November 2007 (UTC)
• Delete Notability is asserted, but not substantiated from non-trivial independent sources. Guy (Help!) 18:23, 1 December 2007 (UTC)
• Keep Connections church is a brand new name, It was previously known as COC America. If you search pastor rocky veach, his books and sermons are on the first search page. He shows up on turning point coc, he turns up in a curch of several thousand from arkansas as well. How else can you site a church ministry outside of the church. His credentials are on paper there is no way to link to his rhema degree, or to show that the date that he graduated rhema would have proved his residence under Keneth Hagin. Most of the citations on a pastor is on paper. As far as published articles, he choses to fly under the radar and be humble. Another example of the high end people that he works with is that his wife Bobbi Veach is the manager for Hillsongs guitarist Andrew Ironsides solo tour. It is just hard to link these to show a contractual agreement on the web. The only online source to many churches operations are their website. The question clearly is

How notable does an organization have to be, because there are definite articles that are only notable locally, or to a niche group. Within the COC group, everyone knows Rocky Veach or his Times of Refreshing Ministries. The fact that he has changed the name of many of his operations, doesn't make him less notable.—Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.198.45.253 (talk • contribs) 22:44, December 1, 2007

• Delete. Changing a name does not make something notable. "Everyone knows him" is not evidence of notability. The fact that a pastor has the proper credentials doesn't make him or the church notable. The fact that he knows a non-notable person doesn't make him notable. And the google test is irrelevant...but...the fact that you use it, I would like to point out that there are only 27 hits...where (I'm not notable) I have 580 on my own name (and I am the only person in the US with my name). --Smashville^BONK! 21:45, 3 December 2007 (UTC)

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.