Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Congolese Spotted Lion

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The result of the debate was MERGE or KEEP. dbenbenn | talk 23:44, 24 Mar 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Congolese Spotted Lion

According to every google hit I could find, only one of these has ever existed. Non-notable. RickK 06:53, Mar 8, 2005 (UTC)

  • Merge and redirect to Lion. Yep they are real. Megan1967 07:37, 8 Mar 2005 (UTC)
    • Evidence? Google doesn't confirm this. RickK 07:40, Mar 8, 2005 (UTC)
      • Shuker, Dr. Karl P N (1989) Mystery Cats of the World. Robert Hale: London. ISBN 0-7090-3706-6 p. 173
          • Again, that discusses the one, single, individual animal. Again, I assert that one hybrid cat is not notable. RickK 19:55, Mar 8, 2005 (UTC)
        • Congolese Spotted Lion was a showman's name for a Lijagulep bred in Chicago. If a true Congolese Spotted Lion existed in Africa, it was a colour morph of African Lion not a hybrid.
        • The above remark by 20.133.0.11.
  • Merge this, Jagulep, and Lepjag into one page, e.g. Hybrid big cats. None of them is notable enough to get an encyclopedia article on its own, but an article on all of them would be interesting. Especially if that article can be anything other than a summary of what's to be found at [1]. --Angr 08:11, 8 Mar 2005 (UTC)
Now that I know about them, merge Liger and Tigon into the same page. --Angr 12:20, 8 Mar 2005 (UTC)
Noooooooooooooh! Kappa 12:41, 8 Mar 2005 (UTC)
I agree with Kappa, keep those as separate articles. RickK 19:55, Mar 8, 2005 (UTC)
  • Keep, might grow as big as a Liger. Kappa 10:26, 8 Mar 2005 (UTC)
    • Please explain how. RickK 19:55, Mar 8, 2005 (UTC)
      • It could have a picture, it could describe their behavior, it could describe its physical characterists and in what ways it resembles its parent species, it could describe how the parents were persuaded to mate, and any other attempts made to produce this hybrid. It could also discuss the life history of the particular individual. 02:04, 13 Mar 2005 (UTC)
  • Keep, Ligers have an article, can't see how this one's any different. Mgm|(talk) 10:29, Mar 8, 2005 (UTC)
    • There are more than one liger in the world and in history. RickK 19:55, Mar 8, 2005 (UTC)
  • Is this for real? Wow, actually that's quite interesting. However, I would be in favor of merging Liger with Tigon, and Lepjag with Jagleop. But not all four together. Keep. Radiant! 13:29, Mar 8, 2005 (UTC)
    • Have separate entries for the more common hybrids - Liger, Tigon and Leopon - but have a Big Cats Hybrids for the others as they are not often bred and there is insufficient information on them.
    • This remark by 20.133.0.11
  • Keep. Real hybrids deserve entries, especially when bred for their skills in magic. Android79 15:11, Mar 8, 2005 (UTC)
  • Keep and allow for organic growth. --GRider\talk 18:33, 8 Mar 2005 (UTC)

I don't understand the rush to keep this article. There was one. One. One hybrid cat is no more notable than one specific cat. My cat needs an article, then. He's at least as notable as this animal. RickK 19:55, Mar 8, 2005 (UTC)

  • One might argue that since there's only one, that only makes it more notable. Android79 20:37, Mar 8, 2005 (UTC)
  • Keep. A unique animal? No reason to delete. The Recycling Troll 22:36, 8 Mar 2005 (UTC)
  • Merge with Lion and Leopard (with a brief note about it on both pages). Not important enough for a page on its own. - MPF 00:15, 9 Mar 2005 (UTC)
  • Strong keep. Uniqueness is particularly notable.--Gene_poole 01:33, 9 Mar 2005 (UTC)
  • Merge and redirect all variants of the leopard/jaguar and leopard/jaguar cross with a lion to one name, it makes it more informative and easier to read that way. Since there has only ever been a single report of the Congolese Spotted Lion, and that was in 1908, before anyone had the skills/technology to verify the genetics, this page is not verifiable nor does it really have much chance to grow--nixie 02:39, 9 Mar 2005 (UTC)
  • Merge as per User:Angr. And if it's kept then move to lijagulep as it currently sounds like some dumb hoax (as opposed to being a dumb joke played with big cats. Poor thing. Sabine's Sunbird 05:38, 9 Mar 2005 (UTC)
  • Merge somewhere and keep the redirect. If references and details accumulate, it can be made a separate article again. dab (ᛏ) 14:12, 9 Mar 2005 (UTC)
  • Only one has ever existed? I recommend merging, but if someone can explain the story (why was there only one? how did it happen?), it should have its own article. -Aranel ("Sarah") 02:05, 11 Mar 2005 (UTC)
  • Keep Doesn't matter that there was only one, the novelty is in fact a significant factor in favour of retaining. Fawcett5 19:26, 11 Mar 2005 (UTC)
  • I'm not a member, but I say "Only one is ever PROVEN to exist. And although it's a hybrid of a hybrid and normally such a creature would be placed under the same article of the original hybrid (i.e. li-liger and ti-liger would be placed under an article for liger), the Congolese Spotted Lion has received enough public attention to merit its own article." 16:44, 11 March 2005 (EST)
  • Merge and keep the redirect. One cat (in 1908?) may be interesting, but hardly enough for an article now unless there are more. Jonathunder 23:57, 2005 Mar 13 (UTC)

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