Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Compass (religion)

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The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result of the debate was Keep, but do not rename to Compass (Qibla) because this article also mentions Qiblih. --Deathphoenix 15:20, 30 January 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Compass (religion)

Delete. Having been convinced to actually buy one of these compasses, I can say that they don't really do what one would infer from reading about them. They don't actually point to the qiblih, they point to magnetic north like any other compass. The buyer is merely given a list of major cities and the corresponding degree heading by which to turn, so there's really no cool technology at work. The design is pretty flimsy as well - just lightweight, easily cracked or scratched plastic. A little research reveals both compasses to be made by the Silva company in Sweden. Being that: 1) the product description is a bit disingenuous, 2) I don't think there's really enough information here to justify a full article in its own right, and 3) this article is essentially an (unintentional, I'm sure) advertisement for one company, I move for article deletion. Keldan 08:09, 24 January 2006 (UTC)

  • A deletion decision should not be based on what is there in the article, but what could be there, because each stub is "an acorn from which mighty trees can grow." The subject is clearly notable: millions of people own these things. Can a worthwhile article be written about it? Well, I'd say that what you've just written is interesting in itself. I'd prefer to keep it around for a while. GeorgeStepanek\talk 08:26, 24 January 2006 (UTC)
    • I doubt very seriously if "millions of people own these things". I'd be surprised if it were over 200 - the product is fairly new. All the same, I see your reasoning, and appreciate your input. I don't mind keeping it around for awhile (I'm certainly not trying to instigate some speedy deletion here), though I think I'll let the nomination for deletion stand. I also think I'll hop over to the article itself and NPOV some of that stuff from the AfD page, since out of the AfD page and in an article context it's rather caustic. Keldan 13:14, 24 January 2006 (UTC)
    • What Keldan has written may be interesting, but it needs to be verifiable by readers who do not own these products in order to become part of an article. Uncle G 14:55, 24 January 2006 (UTC)
  • Delete. Neither Googles well for a 'clearly notable' subject. "Kalimát Presentations" and "Kalimat Presentations" turn up one Google hit between them that isn't their own site. [1] [2] Silva is more difficult to search for. 'silva Muslim compass' with no ""s turns up lots of hits, as would be expected, but no relevant ones are immediately apparent [3]. A more specific 'silva Muslim compass qiblih -wikipedia' turns up none at all except a couple of straggling Wikipedia mirrors [4]. So no reliable sources. Given that these are just ordinary compasses with a piece of paper attached, there's no reason to mention them in Wikipedia. --Malthusian (talk) 14:29, 24 January 2006 (UTC)
  • Exactly how are these anything other than ordinary magnetic compasses, for which we already have an article? Upon what basis was this forked off compass? Uncle G 14:55, 24 January 2006 (UTC)
  • I find the nomination very unsatisfactory; just because the nominator doesn't like this particular product itself isn't a good reason to delete an article about a class of historically interesting instruments. This is certainly not a new idea; I bought one (much nicer than the Silva one!) a decade ago, and they have been around for centuries (see [5] [6] [7]. Although they function in the same way as a magnetic compass, they are more sophisticated (and elegant) than that sounds; they often have at least one additional pointer, inscriptions indicating major cities around the world, and tend toward the very ornate. A fine article could be written about these instruments (but this is not it). Keep, expand, and rename to Qibla compass. bikeable (talk) 15:17, 24 January 2006 (UTC)
  • Rename as per above --Doc ask? 18:28, 24 January 2006 (UTC)
  • I was ready to vote "delete" per the nominator and earlier votes, then Bikeable went and threw Reliable sources at us. Move to Qibla compass and expand per Bikeable. Barno 23:59, 24 January 2006 (UTC)
  • The basis of this article is tenuous at best. Yes, such devices exist but they by my means deserve an article of their own. Make special mentions of them in appropriate articles if you will, but polluting the namespace with this kind of insipid drivel is inexcusable. --Agamemnon2 06:57, 25 January 2006 (UTC)
  • Keep but and do not rename as the page serves two different religions, Islam with the Qibla and the Baha'i Faith with the Qiblih. Qibla Compass would only refer to the Qibla. -- Jeff3000 04:24, 26 January 2006 (UTC)


The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.