Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Companions of the Hall

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The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was keep. W.marsh 18:43, 12 November 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Companions of the Hall

Companions of the Hall (edit|talk|history|links|watch|logs) – (View log)

Non-notable group of fictional characters. Listing at AfD after contested, expired {{prod}}. Mikeblas 17:36, 6 November 2007 (UTC)

  • Keep. An effort is being made to use this article as a spinoff article from The Icewind Dale Trilogy to describe the main characters instead of having individual articles for them, as was previously the case. As this is (clearly, I think) a notable series of books, having this article as a summary of information about the characters seems like an appropriate level of detail in line with WP:SUMMARY. The contested prod was actually placed after the proposal to merge the character information here was made at the AfD for one of the characters, without any mention of the prod being made in the AfD discussion, which was a bit disconcerting to discover when the AfD ended, but I'm assuming this was an oversight by Mikeblas and not an intentional attempt to force an outcome on the AfD. Pinball22 18:06, 6 November 2007 (UTC)
  • Keep per Pinball22. —Preceding unsigned comment added by BOZ (talk • contribs) 23:31, 6 November 2007 (UTC)
  • Keep The Icewind Dale Trilogy is one of the iconic Forgotten Realms stories. This is a summary article of the main characters and this is the place where main characters that have been deemed "not main enough" should be treated. --Polaron | Talk 00:46, 7 November 2007 (UTC)
  • Keep and prune The sections for Drizzt, Bruenor and Cattie-Brie should be more than a just a link. Additionally, the sections for Wulfgar and Regis should be much shorter. Wulfgar should have his own article. Apparently he had one and it got deleted for lack of secondary references, which should have been easy enough to fix. This article also needs some references. EvilCouch 02:17, 7 November 2007 (UTC)
    • The information on Regis and Wulfgar is taken verbatim from their just-deleted articles, for GFDL compliance reasons. You're free to prune them as normal at this point. The other three still have their articles; while of course their sections should be expanded to cover basic information, my main objective was finding a home for Regis and Wulfgar. Everything else will come with time. Powers T 03:20, 7 November 2007 (UTC)
  • Delete. This is entirely plot summary and I doubt any of the characters have been covered in reliable secondary sources per WP:FICT. If you trimmed out the content that fails policy, you'd be left with virtually nothing to merge. Doctorfluffy 03:13, 7 November 2007 (UTC)
Note - user indefinitely blocked as disruptive sockpuppet. — xDanielx T/C 22:15, 9 November 2007 (UTC)
  • Keep, I just got done merging Wulfgar and Regis in here. I still think secondary sources exist for at least some of these characters, but I haven't had time to look in the last several days when this all started. The difficulty with subjects such as this is a large number of hits that don't qualify as reliable third-party sources; it can take a very long time to find reliable sources on pop-culture topics given the ridiculous number of unreliable ones that exist on the Internet. Powers T 03:17, 7 November 2007 (UTC)
  • Note: This debate has been included in the list of Fictional characters-related deletions. —Powers T 03:24, 7 November 2007 (UTC)
  • Note: This debate has been included in the list of Game-related-related deletions. —Powers T 03:24, 7 November 2007 (UTC)
  • Keep providing there is some vigorous pruning and sourcing. A suitable place to put sections on all the characters of the setting, rather than have multiple unnecessary articles. Drizzt Do'Urden, Drizzt Do'Urden's scimitars(!), Bruenor Battlehammer and Cattie-Brie need to be merged into this. Neil ☎ 09:40, 7 November 2007 (UTC)
    • There are only five Companions of the Hall. "All the characters of the setting" would make this possibly the longest article in Wikipedia. Powers T 13:17, 7 November 2007 (UTC)
  • Delete as this article is comprised of plot summmary, which cannot be verified as the primary source(s) are not cited with footnotes, and it is written from a heavy in universe perspective which is devoid of real-world context or critical analysis relating to the development of this fictional group. Also, there are no reliable secondary sources to demonstrate that this fictional character has any real-world notability. The subject matter is dealt with extensively on fansites as ghits show, so there is no good reason to keep this article; there is no evidence that this plot summary has any encyclopedic value at all.--Gavin Collins 13:29, 7 November 2007 (UTC)
    • "Other sites deal with this subject matter" is not a reason to delete. Powers T 16:39, 7 November 2007 (UTC)
  • Commment This characters have their own individual articles; the books they are derived from has their own articles; the author of this books have their own article. However, none of the components of this related group has any reliable secondary source to demonstrate notability. This article links are a classic exmple of a Link farm. --Gavin Collins 09:12, 12 November 2007 (UTC)
  • Provisional keep: LtPowers is in the process of restructuring this and associated articles as the result of a recent AfD that merged content into here, and deserves a good-faith chance to finish the work before judging it. If after a decent time (say, a month or two) and notability has not been demonstrated, then the question of (per WP:FICT) merging this into the relevant book or series article should be considered. —Quasirandom 21:43, 7 November 2007 (UTC)
    • I could work on the article, but I can't make guarantees. The merge I was doing is done now; I don't want anyone to think I have big plans for this article, because I don't. I don't know when I'll find the time to do significant research into this. I'm barely keeping up with the AfDs. Powers T 22:10, 7 November 2007 (UTC)
  • Comment: That's right, we must delete this trivial article that's only useful to a few hundreds of thousands of people in order to save electrons. Remember, save those electrons, they're more important than you think. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 134.139.148.100 (talk • contribs)
  • Keep per the above reasons. Liveforever22 08:22, 9 November 2007 (UTC)
  • Keep - Nominator's contention that these characters, major players in a huge and increasing series of books, are non-notable is passing absurd. ◄Zahakiel► 04:14, 10 November 2007 (UTC)
  • Keep as per Pinball, Zahakiel. Edward321 04:46, 10 November 2007 (UTC)
  • Keep, but Move to Icewind Dale Trilogy characters, more encyclopedical tittle. And restore Wulfgar's article, the real world context exist there. Garret Beaumain 14:56, 11 November 2007 (UTC)
    • Except they've been the main characters in more books than just the Icewind Dale trilogy, and there are more characters than just the five in that trilogy. Powers T 22:04, 11 November 2007 (UTC)
  • Keep per Pinball22. Rray 10:27, 12 November 2007 (UTC)
  • Keep per Pinball22. My own feeling is that this article should be a redirect to the main article for the series unless the series article is too long, but I'm not motivated to make that argument by this rather sloppy AfD. -Harmil 14:04, 12 November 2007 (UTC)


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