Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Columbia University Mock Trial

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was Delete. —Wknight94 (talk) 03:58, 25 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Columbia University Mock Trial

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Delete. This page is about a school club. School clubs are not notable. What is "notable" you may ask? A topic is notable if it has been the subject of multiple, non-trivial, reliable published works, whose sources are independent of the subject itself. This article fails to meet any of those requirements; it is not suitable for inclusion in Wikipedia. JasonCNJ 00:18, 20 January 2007 (UTC)

• Delete - I supported the proposed deletion of this article before the prod was contested. Just another school group, one of several I have seen recently from Columbia university. -- Chrislk02 (Chris Kreider) 00:38, 20 January 2007 (UTC)
• Delete Non-notable school club. If this endures afd, excuse me while I create University of Akron College Democrats and Wayne College Campus Crusade for Christ. Soltak | Talk 00:43, 20 January 2007 (UTC)
• Delete per above comments, non-notable club. JCO312 02:40, 20 January 2007 (UTC)
• Delete per nom. Maxamegalon2000 06:07, 20 January 2007 (UTC)
• Delete per nom, and per precedent on school clubs. As always, to keep requires a clear demonstration of notability, and we don't have one here. WMMartin 16:20, 23 January 2007 (UTC)
• Keep This organization has been the subject of multiple sources, since their accomplishments have been chronicled online at www.perjuries.com as well as at www.collegemocktrial.org, a website run by the American Mock Trial Association - which has the largest membership of any college activity in the nation. Additionally, the 2006-2007 AMTA case, which was published and distributed to thousands of competitors, was authored by two Columbia Mock Trial students. Also, Columbia University Mock Trial has been featured repeatedly in front-page articles in the Columbia Spectator and in Columbia College Today. Unlike other student groups, Columbia Mock Trial is a nationally ranked team currently in the top ten in the nation and with national visibility.

Just to note, the above user, 151.204.106.178 is the primary contributor of the article in question. Further, if memory serves, anonymous users are not permitted to vote in AfD. Soltak | Talk 22:58, 23 January 2007 (UTC)

I don't know if anonymous users can vote in AfD, but I do know that sources cited for the topic must be "independent of the source itself." 151.204.106.178 cited www.collegemocktrial.org and www.perjuries.com. But www.collegemocktrial.org is the site for the umbrella organization for mock trial and is hardly independent. Even worse is www.perjuries.com, which is an online message board for students and coaches of mock trial and includes several Columbia Mock Trial students & coaches as regular contributors. Those sources do NOT count as they are not independent, reliable, or non-trival. I assume it goes without saying that articles in Columbia University publications (Columbia Spectator and Columbia College Today) are hardly independent, non-trivial, or reliable. JasonCNJ 23:52, 23 January 2007 (UTC)

• Delete Non-notable club. Multiple independent mentions in print publications might justify its inclusion in WP, but I don't see any cited. EdJohnston 21:51, 24 January 2007 (UTC)

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.