Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Colonization of Titan

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result of the debate was Speedy Merge (fixed, I can't read). Tawker 05:43, 13 May 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Colonization of Titan

NOTE: See more extensive, parallel debate at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Colonization of Mercury.

This article is speculative and unencyclopaedic in my opinion. If colonization of Titan should ever occur we would want an article on it, but I don't think we need one right now. We do not try to predict the future. Worldtraveller 11:15, 8 May 2006 (UTC)

• Keep. Can be encyclopedic if all of its information comes from reputable sources (NASA studies, for example). There is nothing preventing us from having articles about future events or even presenting predictions about future events as long as we are not the originators of the predictions (they come from a reputable source). -- Cuiviénen (talk•contribs), Monday, 8 May 2006 @ 11:25 UTC

• Merge all the above colonization articles, except the moon (which is presently the only one that is not highly speculative by nature). -- GWO
• Keep - legitimate article about the idea of colonising this large moon, an idea discussed by space enthusiasts. There is no reason at all why Wikipedia cannot have articles devoted to ideas about the future if they are ideas that some people actually discuss and consider. Metamagician3000 13:50, 8 May 2006 (UTC)
• Merge - all above 'colonizations' into either the colonization of space or colonization of the outer solar system. If any of these, esp. the latter become too large, then it would be time to split off but not a priori. Crum375 15:07, 8 May 2006 (UTC)
• Merge per above. Looks like the content is already present on colonization of the outer solar system, so just a redirect and a delete of the "main article" link on the colonization page should suffice. — RJH 16:17, 8 May 2006 (UTC)
• Merge to colonization of the outer solar system (or redirect as stated by RJH).--Isotope23 16:25, 8 May 2006 (UTC)
• Keep And it should remain distinct rather than being merged, as the topic is robust enough to warrant its own article. LeoO3 17:01, 8 May 2006 (UTC)
• Keep as with other colonization articles. Bucketsofg✐ 17:07, 8 May 2006 (UTC)
• Strong Delete, per nominator. Fluit 17:09, 8 May 2006 (UTC)
• Merge and delete. Whatever article this was originally split from will not suffer with the re-addition of this lonely little paragraph, which is not likely to be reliably expanded for the next few hundred years. Kafziel 17:26, 8 May 2006 (UTC)
• Merge Colonization of the outer solar system needs beefing up anyway, and this would work there. It could be broken off later if need be. Redirect is good, since this is the place most talked about in this context in the outer solar system. Ted 17:51, 8 May 2006 (UTC)
• [Strong keep] *see below - because it (ideally) discusses objective, factual information about the great deal of past and current commentary and technical research on these ideas, a great deal of which has been funded by NASA and other space organizations and which has been carried out in peer-reviewed scientific literature, the record of which is entirely a matter of fact, not speculation. The first peer-reviewed scientific paper on colonizing another planet (by Carl Sagan in the prestigious journal Science, on the potential to terraform and colonize Venus) was published almost fifty years ago, and such literature has been growing exponentially since then. Such factual information on past and ongoing research and commentary is no more speculative in nature than is any subject of scientific or engineering research. The Colonization of Mercury page is so far sparse and lacking in sources, but those should be remedied by further work, not by trashing a valuable subject. See also e.g. Terraforming, Planetary engineering, Robert Zubrin, Gerard O'Neill, Martyn J. Fogg, The Mars Society, The National Space Society, the Journal of the British Interplanetary Society, Carl Sagan, Wernher von Braun, Verein für Raumschiffahrt, and the links from these articles. And this is besides the further value of the entries to provide factual information on the idea of colonizing these planets in literature and the arts and as a subject of anthropological, cultural and sociological interest. See also more extensive debate at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Colonization of Mercury, and see Wikipedia:WikiProject Space Colonization. - Reaverdrop 18:35, 8 May 2006 (UTC)
• Keep or Merge - I've supported keeping all of these articles, but the Titan article is small enough that I'm questioning it. If someone can come up with a good collection of new material, that would be a reason to keep. Are there any groups focused on colonizing Titan? Chadlupkes 22:08, 8 May 2006 (UTC)
• Merge with Colonization of the outer solar system per RJH- at least until substantially more attributable material becomes available.--agr 03:57, 9 May 2006 (UTC)
• Merge with Colonization of the outer solar system and redirect. I like the other colonization articles, but this one doesn't offer much more than in the outer solar system article. ScottW 15:11, 9 May 2006 (UTC)
• Merge as per Ted to Colonization of the outer solar system. :) Dlohcierekim 18:40, 9 May 2006 (UTC)
• Keep. Lankiveil 00:18, 10 May 2006 (UTC)
• Keep Georgewilliamherbert 04:23, 10 May 2006 (UTC)
• Merge per Ted, Chadlupkes et al to Colonization of the outer solar system - I change my mind on this one colonization article out of the bunch - unlike the other colonization articles, I don't know that there are many references that discuss this as substantially separate from discussion of colonization of the outer solar system in general, so I think it would be fitting to merge or post a redirect for the time being, unless a significant wealth of references specifically on Titan is made known. - Reaverdrop 04:38, 10 May 2006 (UTC)
• Merge - Perfectly legitimate topic that should be moved to Colonization of the outer solar system, as there is simply too little of it yet. Judgesurreal777 23:24, 10 May 2006 (UTC)
• Delete It looks like the sci-fi nerds are going to win this one, though. Duckdid 23:04, 12 May 2006 (UTC)
• Strong keep This is just as credible as the other solar system colonisation pages. Beno1000 01:10, 13 May 2006 (UTC)

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.