Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Collapse of the United States

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The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was delete as two more days of discussion won't make a difference. east.718 at 23:18, January 20, 2008

[edit] Collapse of the United States

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I deleted this speedily as nonsense, but it might make sense in a weird, Nostradamus sort of way. So I bring it here to avoid undue haste. At any rate, it looks like OR, nonsense, and the (pseudo) references do not help much. Dlohcierekim 04:33, 17 January 2008 (UTC)

  • Delete This kind of nonsense happens all the time in tabloids. I actually thought I was reading a tabloid. Delete per nom. I am curious as to where the articles creater got 52 republics from (I assume the 50 states + Puerto Rico, but what about that 52nd?) TJ Spyke 04:48, 17 January 2008 (UTC)
    • The 52nd republic that I mentioned in the article refers to Guam. GVnayR (talk) 04:56, 17 January 2008 (UTC)
      • Not that it matters since this tabloid-esque prediction won't happen, but what would happene to the other US territories (Northern Mariana Islands, American Samoa, U.S. Virgin Islands)? TJ Spyke 04:59, 17 January 2008 (UTC)
        • According to the article, they will form part of a sovereign nation with Hawaii. lol J.delanoygabsadds 05:01, 17 January 2008 (UTC)
  • To those who don't want to check the "sources". The Trinity ref says nothing about a collapse, only that the economy could be thrown into chaos if China converted the US dollars it has into other currencies (which it says is unlikey to happen). ABC Australia just says that the US would collapse as a superpower, and mentiones nothing in this article. Power of Narrative is just a general criticism of the US. Lew Rockwell appears to be a fictional history page written like its from the future (it refers to 2012 as the past). Secrets of Survival just talks about Hugo Gavez predicting the demise of the US and that Muslims look like Mexicans and Mexicans can sneak anything in the US, doesn't talk about anything in the article. The blog talks about how the US is an empire and he can not see it lasting, and screws up basic facts by saying that 192 countries is 70% of the worlds countries (despite the fact that there are only 193 soverign recognized countries). So in summary, only 1 of the refs mention a collapse of the US and even that ref doesn't mentione anything in this article. TJ Spyke 05:12, 17 January 2008 (UTC)
  • Delete as pure crystal ballery with no relevant sources. --Metropolitan90 (talk) 05:18, 17 January 2008 (UTC)
  • Delete, per the obvious. BJAOAN maybe. hateless 05:34, 17 January 2008 (UTC)
  • Delete, this is WP:CRYSTAL if I ever saw it. The person has pinpointed the collapse to within a one month period. Wow. Redfarmer (talk) 07:32, 17 January 2008 (UTC)
  • Delete obviously it misses the part about the inevitable Reptilian humanoid takeover as well.--MONGO 07:37, 17 January 2008 (UTC)
  • Speedy delete this version as nonsense. It's actually possible that a good article could be written about predictions of U.S. collapse, but this isn't it. *** Crotalus *** 07:50, 17 January 2008 (UTC)
  • Delete. People can read whatever into Nostradamus' prophecies by interpreting things in different manners. They are most accurate after the events have happened so that it is possible to find a fitting interpretation. This article is complete crystal-ballery without reliable sourcing. Wait until September please, and if the United States has collapsed then, I promise that I will vote to undelete this article on DRV. Sjakkalle (Check!) 10:21, 17 January 2008 (UTC)
  • Delete per much of what is said above, its just silly. I could see a point in a article discussing the break up of the US in fiction (it happens a lot) but this is really not that.--Him and a dog 14:40, 17 January 2008 (UTC)
  • Keep I have just added a book reference about Nostradamus' role in predicting the collapse of the United States. GVnayR (talk) 16:45, 17 January 2008 (UTC)
  • Delete. Not exactly WP:NONSENSE, but clearly WP:OR loosely based on the sources. — Arthur Rubin | (talk) 17:43, 17 January 2008 (UTC)
  • I predict Delete i heard predictions like these come and go over the years especially in the year 2000 but this WP:OR is plainly silly "Southern Americans will take advantage of the collapse to reform the Confederate States of America and use their influence to revert NASCAR back into a regional sport" ... however if after September 30th, 2008 these events do indeed come to past and NASCAR onces again become just a southern thing and Alaskans become Canadians please feel free to take it to WP:DRV... oh Nostradamus shall the #17 rise in the point standings to receive the coveted trophy of champions.... ▪◦▪≡SiREX≡Talk 19:26, 17 January 2008 (UTC)
  • The collapse of this article will take place some place between 17 January and 24 January 2008. I mean Delete. This is clearly OR and a bag full of silliness. Also, how exactly will the US collapsing free Quebec? - Revolving Bugbear 20:22, 17 January 2008 (UTC)
  • Delete - Crystal ballish, original research that smells like a hoax, and is a complete load of bollocks. I predict snow. —Travistalk 22:33, 17 January 2008 (UTC)
  • Delete per crystal ball, no original research and WP:HOAX. Mh29255 (talk) 01:35, 18 January 2008 (UTC)
  • Delete per above. Quatrain 186 predicted that a "merde-provacateur" would, when the sun was in Capricorn, squat at what he called "Via que Pedea" and take a dump. Prophecy fulfilled! And you thought it all stopped with 1999 and 7 months. Mandsford (talk) 03:51, 18 January 2008 (UTC)
  • Delete. Title is unlikely to be searched for in this context, Nostradamus predictions are not necessarily independently notable, and there are also elements here that smack of OR and crystal ballery (in it's most literal sense for once). 23skidoo (talk) 14:25, 18 January 2008 (UTC)
  • Delete. Crystal balls, in every sense. -- ChrisO (talk) 00:49, 19 January 2008 (UTC)
  • Delete WP:OR/WP:CRYSTAL with some WP:NPOV thrown in to boot ("the arrogant attitude of American Liberals"?). If the United States actually does collapse in September, there'll certainly be an infinitely better and much more reliably sourced article to write about it than this. But let's just say I won't be holding my breath. Bearcat (talk) 23:20, 19 January 2008 (UTC)
  • Delete in October (Kidding; delete now!) The Zig (talk) 23:39, 19 January 2008 (UTC)
  • Delete so speedy, its like you did it yesterday. Utter rubbish. i have the exact same opinion as user:bearcat has. 67.185.26.202 (talk) 01:02, 20 January 2008 (UTC)
  • Speedy Delete per criteria G1, G3, and G4. Dalekusa (talk) 19:57, 20 January 2008 (UTC)
The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.