Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Coconut monkey

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result of the debate was no concensus. - Mailer Diablo 12:53, 28 October 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Coconut monkey

A trolling attack on Wikipedia. Only one tiny nugget of information keeps this from being speedied, which is that it references a supposed method of trapping monkeys that has seen extensive usage over many decades as a metaphorical figure. However, this article does not cover the metaphorical usage (except employing to insult Wikipedia) and does not provide any citation for it as alleged fact. There is nothing here worth saving. -- Antaeus Feldspar 17:48, 22 October 2005 (UTC)

• Delete per own nom. -- Antaeus Feldspar 17:48, 22 October 2005 (UTC)
• Keep - but remove anti-wikipedia information. It resembles a technique used for trapping monkeys in Africa using holes in termite mounds. --MacRusgail 18:58, 22 October 2005 (UTC)
• Delete as nonsense. A coconut monkey is indeed a real thing though: a monkey figure carved out of several coconuts and widely available as novelties in tropical tourist shops and beach areas. A specific 3D coconut monkey is used as a mascot for PC Gamer magazine. When this article is deleted, a real article can easily take its place. I suggest deleting Wikipedia:Song/Coconut Monkey too, which seems to be part of the same thing. Andrew Lenahan - Starblind 19:05, 22 October 2005 (UTC)
• Delete utterly useless for the time being. Powers of i 02:51, 23 October 2005 (UTC)
• Delete I've never heard of this technique and a source would be required. User:Nichalp/sg 07:08, 23 October 2005 (UTC)
  • one found at [1] which seems to verify the metaphorical use
• Delete, unencyclopedic nonsense. MCB 20:36, 23 October 2005 (UTC)
• Keep at least as disambiguation perhaps? There seem to be three meanings of this phrase, all distinct. One is the idiomatic use reported (and now cleaned up to explain it AS an idiomatic use and include the similarity to the termite mound report), a second is the tourist shop novelty meaning, and the fact that monkeys are trained to throw coconuts down from trees to harvest them in South Asia is a third and more obvious real life meaning. There is also a well known mathematical problem involving monkeys and coconuts in its usual explanation. As for the mention of Wikipedia eating brains, judging from the fact that you all above seem unwilling to fix an article with minor problems, and describe simple humour as an "attack", and advocate taking a censorial approach to gentle mocking of Wikipedia that you would not take towards gentle mocking of Britannica, perhaps your sense of humour and of fairness has already been eaten? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 142.177.112.2 (talk • contribs) 12:53, 24 October 2005 (UTC)
  • It was not an "article with minor problems". It was a piece of shit with one minor scrap that would be best salvaged by incorporating it into a good article, like Trapping, instead of this piece of shit. Even if it was "simple humour", the article's POV statement that "Since the monkey will not use his brain, the hunters will happily make good use it for him" would not be appropriate for Wikipedia. The comparison following between these monkeys and "any addict" is, to put it mildly, just fucking stupid, not to mention original research. The statement following that, directly comparing Wikipedia users to those monkeys who have already been judged to have more value as food than as living beings, is in no uncertain terms an attack and an insult. There is no point in "cleaning up" this piece of shit; whatever tiny fragments of value were included (by accident, I'm sure) in this steaming heap should at best be salvaged into other articles, ones that weren't written as trolls. -- Antaeus Feldspar 17:14, 24 October 2005 (UTC)
    • Comment (no vote). This little tirade is not exactly the best way to welcome anonymous users to Wikipedia... please watch your wikiquette and assume good faith. Thanks. --Jacquelyn Marie 03:28, 26 October 2005 (UTC)
• I have removed the POV/OR portion. Now perhaps we can all vote (calmly) on 142.177.112.2's suggestions? --Jacquelyn Marie 03:30, 26 October 2005 (UTC) Oh and PS: Weak keep. --Jacqui ^{★ 23:04, 26 October 2005 (UTC)}
• Weak keep and could do with some cleanup. I have read about this practice, but can't remember the source or details. A bit OT, but where I come from, the phrase monkey's fist is used an idiom for someone who is very stubborn. Tintin 11:59, 26 October 2005 (UTC)
• Keep The practice of making coconut monkeys should alone qualify this article - it is apparently a common enough practice to warrant pc gamer using it as their mascot. i remember the coconut monkey mascot and was certainly intrigued to discover its origin.Kwalka 07:49, 27 October 2005 (UTC)

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.