Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Clear Water Academy

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was keep. John254 22:43, 4 April 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Clear Water Academy

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non notable school, does not pass WP:SCHOOL criteria for inclusion in Wikipedia AlbinoFerret (talk) 12:53, 31 March 2008 (UTC) WP:SCHOOL does not state that High Schools receive a free pass on notability.AlbinoFerret (talk) 06:17, 1 April 2008 (UTC)

• Keep and expand and edit out some PR talk. . There is almost always suitable sourced material available for high schools-- and our practice is to consistently accept them rather than argue about each one, since it will almost certainly be notable. DGG (talk) 13:52, 31 March 2008 (UTC)

There is a criteria for inclusion WP:SCHOOL, just because a school exists does not mean it should remain on Wikipedia. AlbinoFerret (talk) 16:49, 31 March 2008 (UTC)

• Note: This debate has been included in the list of Canada-related deletion discussions. —• Gene93k (talk) 14:10, 31 March 2008 (UTC)
• Note: This debate has been included in the list of Schools-related deletion discussions. —• Gene93k (talk) 14:10, 31 March 2008 (UTC)
• Keep - Apart from including a high school, the elementary department has an average rank of 1st amongst elementary schools in Alberta over the last five years - clear grounds for notability. TerriersFan (talk) 18:07, 31 March 2008 (UTC)

If there were any notability according to WP:SCHOOL then you may have a point. But there isn't any and no references to even suggest that there are. AlbinoFerret (talk) 18:16, 31 March 2008 (UTC)

• Keep. There is a reference that it has an average rank of number one amongst elementary schools in Alberta over the past five years. DoubleBlue (Talk) 19:55, 31 March 2008 (UTC)

According to WP:SCHOOL, there must be "significant coverage in secondary sources". The Fraser institute that the reference links to is a primary source since it releases the report. Therefore it cant be used as a source of notability according to WP:SCHOOLAlbinoFerret (talk) 20:57, 31 March 2008 (UTC)

Incorrect - it is independent of the school so it is a secondary source. WP:SCHOOL is, in any case, only a proposal and cannot be cited as a standard. To argue that the best elementary school in a province over 5 years is not notable is frankly bizarre. TerriersFan (talk) 21:39, 31 March 2008 (UTC)

You might want to read up on secondary sources. AlbinoFerret (talk) 00:11, 1 April 2008 (UTC)

What do you mean? The Fraser Institute report is not a secondary independent source about this school? If you think that, then I would suggest you read up on secondary sources. --Oakshade (talk) 19:31, 1 April 2008 (UTC)

• Keep - Being ranked #1 by the Fraser Institute, the schools passes the proposed WP:SCHOOL. Additionally it has received significant secondary coverage by the Calgary Herald [1] which is far beyond the scope of "trivial". --Oakshade (talk) 19:26, 1 April 2008 (UTC)
  • Comment. The Herald article is an extensive profile that will be very useful for adding references to the article. DoubleBlue (Talk) 20:21, 1 April 2008 (UTC)
• Keep per Wikipedia:Notability (high schools)‎ Jerry talk ¤ count/logs 23:40, 1 April 2008 (UTC)

That is an essay, written by you! Not only that , it was written this morning[2]. It also is contrary to WP:SCHOOL, the work of multiple editors that suggests that schools need to show some notability. AlbinoFerret (talk) 13:10, 2 April 2008 (UTC)

So what? Are you saying that I can't cite my own essay when !voting in AfD? Is there some rule about that? If so, I think I'll ignore it. Jerry talk ¤ count/logs 22:11, 2 April 2008 (UTC)

What I'm saying is that it holds no weight. Its not a guideline or policy. You might just as well have written it here. That you didn't disclose that you wrote it when you posted it here. I could write an essay saying that schools that don't show notability should be removed from Wikipedia, at least that one wouldn't conflict with Wikipedia guidelines. AlbinoFerret (talk) 04:19, 3 April 2008 (UTC)

• Comment Since a reference was found in the Calgary Herald please close this nomination as withdrawn, the reference establishes some notability. AlbinoFerret (talk) 13:18, 2 April 2008 (UTC)

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