Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Claremont Braineaters

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result of the debate was DELETE. -Doc ^ask? 17:35, 11 May 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Claremont Braineaters

Delete. Non-notable sports team. Article was prod'ed but notice was removed with nothing of importance added. Only 31 Ghits. discospinster 23:06, 5 May 2006 (UTC)

• Delete per nom. DarthVader 00:14, 6 May 2006 (UTC)
• Delete as per above. Stifle (talk) 01:11, 6 May 2006 (UTC)
• At present form, delete per nom but I can't help but wonder: what sports team name does this college (or group of colleges) actually have, and might that be worthy of an article instead? TheProject 01:13, 6 May 2006 (UTC)
  • Comment. Claremont McKenna, Scripps, and Harvey Mudd use the Stags for male athletic teams and the Athenas for female athletic teams. Pomona and Pitzer use the Sagehens. --Goobergunch|? 02:17, 6 May 2006 (UTC)
• Do Not Delete! Keep!. How can a team has played teams from southern California to Rhode Island and Canada not be notable? The Claremont Braineaters is a club team that might not be varsity in the sense of the word as it applies to Duke Blue Devils basketball, but the Claremont Braineaters has members from all colleges and succeeds more than any varsity program. The fact that the Claremont Braineaters is a Division III school and still placed 26th amongst so many Divison I schools is notable. To delete this article would be to say to all Wikipedians that because a few people may not understand or have even heard of ultimate Frisbee that an article cannot exist, that's wrong. What if someone from Australia or Eritrea had never heard of hockey, should that mean that the Montréal Canadiens' article should be deleted? Maybe the UPA does not have enough money to start a ridiculous professional league where people play for the money. Ultimate Frisbee is pure love of the game, and the Claremont Braineaters embody that. Dan37205 4:10 AM EST, 6 May 2006 (UTC)
• Delete Non-notable club team, and the comparison to the Montreal Canadiens is just amusing, bordering on ludicrous. Fan1967 14:13, 6 May 2006 (UTC)
  • Comment. Ok then, what about the Blue Devils (Duke University), are you going to get that article deleted? Dan37205 4:30 PM EST, 6 May 2006 (UTC)
    • Comment Thousands of people attend every single Blue Devils game. They are routinely broadcast on local radio and television, and even occasionally nationally. Your frisbee club compares with that, how? Fan1967 21:10, 6 May 2006 (UTC)
      • Comment. There are over 22,000 ultimate players who belong to the Ultimate Players Association, that only includes people who are registered and play in serious club or college tournaments in the United States, that does not include the other thousands of people around the country who do not play serious ultimate frisbee. College ultimate Frisbee is also televised, on CSTV and its website, http://www.cstv.com/sports/c-ultimate/cs-c-ultimate-body.html, where you can watch the semi-finals and finals of the womens and mens College National Tournament of years past. There is also extensive coverage of ultimate Frisbee with the http://www.UltiVillage.com crew who produce films about special club and college tournaments and posts daily clips from tournaments around the country. It's true, college basketball and Duke are especially popular, and a lot of people do watch it, but that is mostly because of basketball being around for over 100 years and it catching on. Ultimate Frisbee was not truly developed into leagues until the late 1970s and early 1980s, especially for college ultiamte Frisbee. Also, the Braineaters are notable to thousands of people. A film that was made called "I Bleed Orange" which can be seen at http://www.Ibleedorange.com was a mockumentary of the team with the most Nationals wins, the Santa Barbara Black Tide who made a film called "I Bleed Black" the trailer for which can be seen at http://www.Ibleedblack.com, and that "I Bleed Orange" has been seen by ultimate players in Israel to Hawaii to the States, Europe, you name it, which would suggest that Ultimate is also popular in other countries. Not surprisingly countries such as Australia, Finland (where the 2006 World Tournament was held), the UK, Germany (where a world-famous offensive formation was created), Japan, South Korea, Canada, Venezuela, Spain, Italy (home of Paganello, the largest beach ultimate tournament in the world with over 100 teams) to name a few all have large ultimate and Beach Ultimate progams and communities. Ultimate Frisbee is to me therefore notable, just not televised and consumed by the mainstream television watchers, and thank all that is good for that, who have ready access to such programming as the Duke Blue Devils, which according to their article also includes their tennis team, track and field, golf, women's rowing (no men's crew? tsk tsk, not like Claremont Stags, Athenas, or Sagehens have one either), not just their very popular basketball team. For that is the basketball team not guilty by association? The Claremont Braineaters are known by many and their players and alumni are known around the the States and the world, mostly in the past for their antics, but recently also for hard play all over the frisbee world, to me says that they are notable. Dan37205 7:45 PM PST, 6 May 2006 (UTC)
• Delete - nn --Arny 18:24, 6 May 2006 (UTC)
• Keep it does have 260 hits in google. I have seen a lot less notable articles. But this article is in need of a significant trim since about half the article is fluff. --MarsRover 21:53, 6 May 2006 (UTC)
• Keep —Preceding unsigned comment added by 134.173.95.61 (talk • contribs)

• Comment Not unsurprisingly, the above IP resolves to Claremont Colleges. Fan1967 01:30, 7 May 2006 (UTC)

• Comment. There have been many edits to make the article more objective, please consider them.Dan37205 8:39 PST 6 May, 2006 (UTC)
  • I think you're still on the bubble. you should do some more deleting --MarsRover 04:10, 7 May 2006 (UTC)
    • Ok I think I've done about as much deleting as possible while still preserving integrity. Dan37205 10:41 PST, 6 May 2006
• Another Reason To Keep. The Brownian Motion (Ultimate) have an article and we beat them 15-6 this year. The Braineaters are notable. Dan37205
  • Unless we do a blanket delete on all frisbee teams, I think he has a point. --MarsRover 04:29, 10 May 2006 (UTC)

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