Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Clara Guerrero

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result of the debate was no consensus, defaulting to keep. Kusma (討論) 03:25, 24 May 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Clara Guerrero

Fails WP:BIO. Unless we're giving attention to student bowling competitions? The JPS ^{talk to me} 10:22, 18 May 2006 (UTC) It's nearly over now anyway, so this might be pointless, but I'm withdrawing my nom due to well argued/researched keep votes. The JPS ^{talk to me} 11:07, 22 May 2006 (UTC)

• Delete per nom. DarthVader 10:25, 18 May 2006 (UTC)
• Delete per nom. Paddles 12:58, 18 May 2006 (UTC)
• Delete per nom. -- Kicking222 13:18, 18 May 2006 (UTC)
• It does say she's represented Colombia internationally, has won many presumably prestigious, world-wide awards, and competed in many international events over six years. I cannot fathom why we would have any need to delete an article on this person. fuddlemark (befuddle me!) 13:36, 18 May 2006 (UTC)
• Speedy keep. A sportist representing her country in an olympic sport. No reason whatsoever to delete. Zocky | picture popups 13:40, 18 May 2006 (UTC)
  • This is not a speedy keep. A speedy keep would require there to be no other delete votes. Please try another vote. Stifle (talk) 23:17, 19 May 2006 (UTC)
    • Er, what? This is not a vote, and it's a speedy keep if it is closed as such. Please don't make such patently ridiculous comments.--Sean Black 06:50, 20 May 2006 (UTC)
    • Regardless of what some page written up by a small group of people in the last few months says, speedy keep has traditionally meant and still means "keep, this article shouldn't be on AFD at all, close as soon as consensus for keep is established". Strong keep doesn't mean a thing, apart from "this editor doesn't know that strong keep doesn't mean anything". Please try to refrain from challenging people's argumented votes on irelevant technical details. Zocky | picture popups 06:54, 20 May 2006 (UTC)
• Keep, although I don't think bowling has made it to the olympics quite yet.  ;P -- stubblyhead | ^T/_c 16:58, 18 May 2006 (UTC)
  • Actually, nine-pin bowling (which sadly does not have an article on Wikipedia that I could find) has been an Olympic sport for a very long time, and I assume that Ms. Guerrero's international appearances in championships organized under tha mantle of the IOC are in nine-pin bowling. Zocky | picture popups 07:03, 20 May 2006 (UTC)
• Delete. 515 Ghits cannot be notable.--Jusjih 14:16, 18 May 2006 (UTC)
  • That's patent nonsense. I could speedy delete that comment. Google is not the ultimate authority. fuddlemark (befuddle me!) 14:20, 18 May 2006 (UTC)
  • 515 Google hits about a person's non-internet-related activities is quite a lot, actually. Zocky | picture popups 14:42, 18 May 2006 (UTC)
• Erm , notability established in article. I think we can just keep this one. Kim Bruning 14:26, 18 May 2006 (UTC)
• Strong, speedy keep per Zocky. Why are we thinking of deleting this article when the girl has won silver awards in international competitions for her country? And going by Ghits alone, ProgressSoft would be deletion material also. Yet it is notable. Kimchi.sg 14:53, 18 May 2006 (UTC)
• Keep per Zocky and Fuddlemark, she is one of the cases that lack of google hits doesn't matter, those awards make her notable. Thanks Jaranda ^{wat's sup} 15:08, 18 May 2006 (UTC)
• Keep Notable, many awards, clearly an accomplished athlete. Amazinglarry 15:18, 18 May 2006 (UTC)
• Keep. There are articles about less known sportsmen and noone objects. Notable enough, she is. --Tone 16:38, 18 May 2006 (UTC)
• Keep WP:BIO includes people who represent their country in a sport - which she does. Just zis Guy you know? 17:18, 18 May 2006 (UTC)

• Provisional Delete: The subject is valid, as we let in any Olympian, but the way that it's written now, it presents as a college athlete page. Because I think a valid article requires a total rewrite to make the emphasis totally on the international experience, that would be a "scrap and start over," which is delete. However, if it were rewritten before the end of AfD to talk about this person as an international athlete rather than a Witchita State athlete, it would be fine to stay. The distinction may seem fine, but the reasoning is sound: college sports teams will field dozens of athletes on varsity alone, and these will change year to year to year. Attempting to profile each and every one, when well over 99% will not achieve further fame, is folly, so college sport team profiles are very properly out. Olypians are in because they are inevitably and by default written up in national press and go into international record books. Geogre 17:29, 18 May 2006 (UTC)
  • I fully support that notion, with the small caveat that she isn't an Olympian, but has represented her country at World Championships, which are roughly the same rank of competition as Olympic Games in the international sport federation system.Zocky | picture popups
• Strong Delete per nom --Strothra 19:53, 18 May 2006 (UTC)
• Keep as notable athlete as per WP:BIO. In my view, the article clearly establishes notability by noting placings in world championships and the Pan American Games which is a notable multinational competition in its own right. Needs a cleanup with more wikification but good enough to justify retention in its current state. It is also good to see Fuddlemark and Geogre back at AfD. Capitalistroadster 21:54, 18 May 2006 (UTC)

Fuddlemark is campaigning for ye olde hands to come back and bring sanity to these pages once more ;-) Kim Bruning 22:23, 18 May 2006 (UTC)

• Keep Surely members of national sports teams are notable. Kevin 00:34, 19 May 2006 (UTC)

• Delete I disagree. National sports team membership is not automatic notability Bwithh 01:51, 19 May 2006 (UTC)

• Keep She is one of the most well known international bowling stars. If you were to delete this article, then you should be deleting every other international bowler that is listed in wiki. As I just noticed this discussion, please let me know what you would like to see and I will add it to her biography. I could probably go into detail about international competition and personal bio if you feel that the college bowling is too emphasized in this article. Dmorgendorffer 14:17, 19 May 2006 (UTC)

I second this motion of deleting every other international bowler. --Strothra 14:28, 19 May 2006 (UTC)

That's absurd.--Sean Black 06:50, 20 May 2006 (UTC)

• Keep, clearly notable. It would be helpful if people actually did proper research before commenting in these discussions. Sheesh.--Sean Black 06:50, 20 May 2006 (UTC)
• Keep not only does the nom misrepresent Guerrero as just a mere student bowler, but she is clearly notable due to her membership on a national team and wins on the international circuit Copysan 06:57, 20 May 2006 (UTC)
• Delete--Peta 05:35, 22 May 2006 (UTC)
• Keep per Zocky and Fuddlemark GassyGuy 23:08, 23 May 2006 (UTC)

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.