Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Claire-Aimee Unabia

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The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was delete. Consensus is that currently the subject does not meet WP:BIO to the point of warranting a separate article, as she has not yet established notability outside of the context of the show. WP:BIO1E, incorporated by reference several times, indicates that "[i]f reliable sources only cover the person in the context of a particular event, then a separate biography may be unwarranted." While selection in a reality show is only a distant corollary to the specific example of a governmental election, commonality is still clear enough. Being an "also ran" is not inherently notable in terms of BIO. While several of the participants in this conversation felt that the subject had gained additional notability within the parent topic of America's Next Top Model, Cycle 10, other responders did not find sourcing provided sufficient to demonstrate widespread notability. If, as some responders contend, the subject continues to work and grows more notable, there is nothing to prevent the creation of an article about her with sufficient reliable, independent sourcing to verify this. In the meantime, inclusion of this in ANTM wiki has been proposed, and seconded. If restoration of this article is necessary long enough to transwiki this, I will be happy to oblige. Please contact me at my talk page. Otherwise, another of the listed administrators who will provide copies of deleted articles may be willing to comply, although please note that for GFDL compliance details of the article's history must also be transwikiied. --Moonriddengirl (talk) 14:01, 4 June 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Claire-Aimee Unabia

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Finishing unfinished nom for User:Tastyfreeze43. Ten Pound Hammer and his otters • (Broken clamshells•Otter chirps) 00:28, 29 May 2008 (UTC)

  • Keep Claire was one of the most significant girls of the season with her multiple challenge wins, great pictures, interesting personality, notorious fight with Dominique, falling on the plastic sheet, drinking her own milk, being the oldest girl of the cycle, her controversial elimination, etc. etc. Also, although she has not done too much modeling yet considering that the show just ended, we will definately see more of her in the future and would need to recreate the page afterward anyway. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.192.27.7 (talk) 23:57, 30 May 2008 (UTC)
  • Comment not wanting to bite but, did the nom give a reason? Jasynnash2 (talk) 08:07, 29 May 2008 (UTC)
  • Comment same goes for me, if it just a deletion proposal for the sake of it, I guess we can keep the article. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Siemgi (talk • contribs) 29 May 2008
  • Delete non-winning contestant on a basic-cable game show, come on. L0b0t (talk) 16:42, 29 May 2008 (UTC)
  • Keep. By the way it's not on cable. The contestant was very popular (multiple CoverGirl of the Week) and is beginning to build a career. If Fatima Siad stays so can this one and Stacy Ann Fequiere.—Preceding unsigned comment added by Siemgi (talk • contribs) 29 May 2008
  • Delete. WP:OTHERSTUFFEXISTS is not a valid argument. The problem with these various ANTM contestant pages is that outside of the winner, they aren't really notable. Claire has yet to prove herself as a model. If/when she does, then this page can be created. If not, then there's no notability established. Just being on a reality show isn't enough to establish notability. (And by the way, please sign your comments.) SKS2K6 (talk) 19:33, 29 May 2008 (UTC)
I disagree. There are pages for say, the Star-Trek characters, I don't know about them but I assume they are notable in their sphere, well Claire is notable in the ANTM sphere so why doesn't she deserve her page? Siemgi (talk • contribs) 18:55, 30 May 2008 (UTC)
Comment Some non-winners and non-runners up from ANTM are notable: Elyse Sewell is one of a handful on Wikipedia. THE evil fluffyface (talk) 19:32, 2 June 2008 (UTC)
      • Comment There is a vast difference between fictional characters from a 40 year-old seminal franchise like Trek and a losing participant on a game show. Also other stuff exists is not a valid reason to keep something. L0b0t (talk) 19:10, 30 May 2008 (UTC)
        • Comment She is not just a contestant. She is a 5-times covergirl of the Week who has won 3 challenges, appeared on the Tyra Show, walked on Runway Moms, modelled for Stork, Gkamour, Seventeen and photographer Shiloh Crawford. I wouldn't make an article on Aimee Wright or Amis Jenkis for instance.—Preceding unsigned comment added by Siemgi (talk • contribs) 30 May 2008
          • Again, she is a losing contestant on a television game show with no notability apart from the show. Should we have articles on everyone that has lost on Wheel Of Fortune, Liar's Club, Password, et al? L0b0t (talk) 21:19, 30 May 2008 (UTC)
            • No. But my point is that her notability inside the ANTM community is enough to let her have her own article. I'm just talking about two contestants not all of them. Don't try to change the meaning of what I'm saying.Siemgi (talk • contribs) 22:02, 30 May 2008 (UTC)
              • Her notability inside the ANTM community is irrelevant and non-germane to this AfD. What matters is her notability to the rest of the world, that is multiple, reliable, 3rd party sources. L0b0t (talk) 00:11, 31 May 2008 (UTC)
                • Runway Moms is not ANTM related, nor are her shoots, nor are the articles that covered her appearance on the Tyra show. Same goes for Stacy Ann. A NSU page or a Youtube video made by a thanksful designer are kinda third party. so are their interviews with LA Times..Siemgi (talk • contribs) 11:25, 31 May 2008 (UTC)

Sorry, I'm not convinced. All of the linked refs in the article are to blogs about ANTM or primary sources like Tyra and Ms. J.. Lets see multiple mentions of the subject of the article in a context other than ANTM, being involved in a notable event does not make her notable. L0b0t (talk) 13:47, 31 May 2008 (UTC) Here is Stork magazine http://www.storkmagazine.com/?page_id=48, Runway Moms http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9g2grfUYaNM, one of the videos she directed http://fr.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=vids.individual&videoid=34298686 and here is one of the many articles about her tree planting with Tyra http://www.nytimes.com/2008/06/01/magazine/01tyra-t.html?pagewanted=2 Hope that helps.Siemgi (talk • contribs) 13:25, 1 June 2008 (UTC)
Besides all others in favor I believe she is notable for having two major reality show appearances, giving birth and getting married on TV. Will have a short film coming out, an article in mute magazine, and is/was? trying to start a charity green acres. She is a lasting personality as this back and forth on this page shows, unlike wheel of fortune etc. losers who are not public personalities.—Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.107.215.238 (talk • contribs) June 1 2008

  • Comment There's a wiki somewhere that is specifically for ANTM except no one knows about it. Maybe we should list the contestants' ANTM history there instead unless Wikipedia policies apply to that wiki? THE evil fluffyface (talk) 19:27, 2 June 2008 (UTC)
        • Yes, a dedicated ANTM wiki is the perfect place for this sort of bio page. L0b0t (talk) 20:53, 3 June 2008 (UTC)

I've looked at all these links and I have to say, I'm still not buying it. Stork magazine and Runway Moms are both products of Expecting Models Inc., a modeling agency that reps pregnant models. Is that Claire's agency? Other than that, Seventeen? She's a model. She gets work modeling. Working in your chosen profession is not notable. A video on You Tube? Is it the actual video that was released for the song or has she just used the song as a soundtrack for the strip club vignette? Planting a tree with Tyra? That's just an offshoot of ANTM. There is nothing in this article that could not be condensed into a line on the ANTM page or transwikied to the dedicated ANTM wiki. L0b0t (talk) 21:48, 3 June 2008 (UTC)

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.