Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Circumcision and Media Ethics

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The result of the debate was delete. – ABCD 20:53, 4 Apr 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Circumcision and Media Ethics

This is original research. The author previously wrote this at Circumcision and HIV, but has since moved it to its current title. Rhobite 05:08, Mar 23, 2005 (UTC)

• Delete. The name "Sirkumsize" leads me to believe that he may have an ulterior motive. -- Scott e^iπ + 1 = 0 06:29, Mar 23, 2005 (UTC)
• Delete. original theory/research. Fuzheado | Talk 06:33, 23 Mar 2005 (UTC)
• Delete. Original "research." android↔talk 06:37, Mar 23, 2005 (UTC)
• Delete. Original research. Jakew 11:36, 23 Mar 2005 (UTC)
• Keep. You guys really don't think that I made any valid point? Sirkumsize 14:04, 23 Mar 2005 (UTC)
  • Valid points or no, Wikipedia has a policy against original research. android↔talk 14:09, Mar 23, 2005 (UTC)
  • Wikipedia is an encyclopaedia. It isn't for making "points", valid or otherwise. It is about presenting and summarising existing knowledge, and doing so from a neutral perspective. If someone had written a book or article making these points, it would be perfectly valid and acceptable for us to discuss his arguments, but not as original work. See: Wikipedia:No original research and Wikipedia is not a soapbox. - Jakew 14:14, 23 Mar 2005 (UTC)
    • Oh come on Jake. As if you aren't on a soapbox. - Sirkumsize 14:39, 23 Mar 2005 (UTC) (sig added by Jakew)
      • If you have a problem with me or any of my edits, please discuss them on my talk page. Here, however, we are discussing the merits of this article. - Jakew 15:02, 23 Mar 2005 (UTC)
• Delete -- original research and POV. The overwhelming majority of circumcised men don't care one way or the other. Haikupoet 19:59, 23 Mar 2005 (UTC)
  • Excuse me? The overwhelming majority of circumcised men don't care one way or the other? About what? Please elaborate? They don't care about Media Ethics? That's interesting. Do you have a reference to back up your claim? Sirkumsize 20:26, 23 Mar 2005 (UTC)
    • Err, I think the claim was: the overwhelming majority of circumsized men probably don't care one way or the other about media ethics regarding circumcision. They probably don't even think about such matters. I know I don't care. android↔talk 04:57, Mar 24, 2005 (UTC)
      • The majority of men in the world who were circumcised as children were circumcised because their parents are Muslim. I doubt many Muslim men care about media ethics regarding circumcision since they were circumcised for religious reasons. -- DanBlackham 07:54, 24 Mar 2005 (UTC)
        • Well aren't we full of assumptions today. Is this because media coverage of circumcision isn't relevant to religion or just because Muslims are ignorant! Sirkumsize 09:31, 24 Mar 2005 (UTC)
• Delete. Original research, regardless of whether it is POV. --jpgordon∇∆∇∆ 22:54, 23 Mar 2005 (UTC)
• Delete Orig. research. DaveTheRed 23:31, 23 Mar 2005 (UTC)
• Delete original research. Rossami (talk) 00:08, 24 Mar 2005 (UTC)
• Delete same user trying is luck again. ≈ jossi ≈ 04:01, Mar 24, 2005 (UTC)
  • Well I'm sorry that seeing article after article biased in favour of circumcision inspired me to write an article explaining why this bias may be occurring. Sirkumsize 09:31, 24 Mar 2005 (UTC)
    • Can you give an example of an article that you consider unbiased? What would meet with your exacting standards? - Jakew 12:46, 24 Mar 2005 (UTC)
      • Actually no I can't. The new edition of the circumcision article on this website is actually pretty good though. I am not getting a lot of support for this article so maybe I was in error to create it. Given the amount of debate over the neutrality of wikipedia circumcision articles, I really feel that there ought to be an article of some sort that deals with the fact that the subject is controversial and why. I don't know what an appropriate title would be but am open to suggestions. In the mean time, please someone out there support this article! Sirkumsize 01:24, 25 Mar 2005 (UTC)
        • You could try publishing it at Wikinfo. Alternatively, flesh it out with solid references, and I might consider publishing it on my web site. It's not bad (though it could use improvement), it just doesn't belong in an NPOV encyclopaedia like Wiki. - Jakew 17:12, 25 Mar 2005 (UTC)
• Delete. Original research, unclear how any article on the topic would not be. Jayjg ^(talk) 19:44, 24 Mar 2005 (UTC)
• Delete for the reasons everyone else gave. —Ashley Y 00:59, 2005 Mar 25 (UTC)
• Hi guys. I adding some references and fleshed out this article a tiny bit. No long just original research! You might feel like changing votes. Just a suggestion. Sirkumsize 12:03, 4 Apr 2005 (UTC)

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