Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/CineMasters Studios

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The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result of the debate was no consensus delete. -Ezeu 03:04, 8 June 2006 (UTC)

[edit] CineMasters Studios

Non notable "studios" and bordering on vanity. It "may grow in notability"[1] says the author of the article and founder of CM Studios. It *may* be an article to have in the future then. As for now, I don't think so -- Equendil 14:38, 30 May 2006 (UTC)

  • Delete. A handful of 2-to-15 minute films, distributed on freewebtown.com, definitely not notable. Fan1967 14:42, 30 May 2006 (UTC)

Dammit. Well, I thought they were good films... Perhaps we could hit Hollywood one day, if only you people would give us a chance. And about "it may grow in notability"- having it on Wikipedia is just another way to make it more notable.TheVortex

  • Comment Which is exactly the problem. Wikipedia is not to promote things and help them become notable. It is for things which are already notable. Fan1967 16:27, 30 May 2006 (UTC)

Well then, please recommend me another site where I can publish my so-called 'advertisements'. Thanks for your time, I'll just get my coat and go. TheVortex

  • There are any number of free hosting sites, from geocities to myspace to youtube. Wikipedia is intended as an encyclopedia, and has criteria for inclusion. Fan1967 16:35, 30 May 2006 (UTC)
Vortex, take it easy. For starters, you are wrong about Wikipedia being a place to get known. This site's traffic isn't as good as MySpace. If you get a MySpace account in the "film" section I guarantee you about 200 hits a day and you get to add embeded video. It's the best promotion you could get besides getting to interact with other filmmakers than can help you in the future. This wikipedia BS gets only a quarter of the traffic you could achieve in MySpace. So don't sweat it.BrandNew21 03:30, 31 May 2006 (UTC)

That's true, but there's more chance of being noticed by the public on a site like Wikipedia (as you have just proven) than there is on, say, geocities or myspace. TheVortex 16:40, 30 May 2006 (UTC)

  • I suggest Google Video, your best bet to gain some visibility online *if* your short movies are actually good. Equendil 18:10, 30 May 2006 (UTC)

Oh forget it, I'll just go. There's no point in fighting the system. Allow me to copy and paste everything I've written in the article into another website, and I'll be off. Now, how do I delete my account...? TheVortex 16:44, 30 May 2006 (UTC)

  • Delete: I am sure they are good films. The trick to breaking into the industry though is to continue to make films, continue to show them at festivals, and to continue to network with as many other people as possible. Posting advertisements on Wikipedia will not further your film career. User accounts are never deleted. That said, you do have the right to vanish. --Hetar 17:00, 30 May 2006 (UTC)

Well then, I guess I'll vanish. I'd stick around to delete my article, but I'm a busy guy and I've got movies to make. Peace out. TheVortex 17:13, 30 May 2006 (UTC)

  • KEEP: If i'm not mistaken. Isn't wikipedia the effort to sum all human knowledge? This guy is making films, he exists, he is human. Ok. So then why are we denying him the right to exist in wikipedia? because the wiki users are all so afraid that the guy could make a buck if people get to find him here and read about it?. People, wake up, you know what wikipedia is? wikipedia is what wikipedia is not. Exactly. Why you deny this guy the right to make an article about his production company? because its not important enough yet? wait a second, who has the authority to say this guy isn't important yet? If someone gets to see this guy's films and then wants to know a little bit more about him then they MIGHT turn to wikipedia and look for him.... but oh no... they won't because you guys THINK that you have the authority to get rid of him. Wikipedia IS NOT a reliable source of information because of people like YOU. So stop trying to make it one, this is just a site to let people give definitions to things in the world, not to qualify you and him and them according if they are important enough. So get off his back and let him keep the freaking article.BrandNew21 03:41, 31 May 2006 (UTC)
  • Comment You are mistaken. Wikipedia is not remotely an effort to sum all human knowledge. Fan1967 14:30, 31 May 2006 (UTC)
  • keep: if we delete this guy then we might as well delete any reference to Britney Spears music, Vanilla ice, the country Ecuador and some of those contries no one has ever heard of. No one is important and less important here. This is a site for definitions not importance meters.72.229.107.247 03:47, 31 May 2006 (UTC)
  • Note This looks a lot like a duplicate vote, in that the user page for72.229.107.247 was edited by BrandNew21, so it doesn't seem unreasonable to suspect they're the same person. Fan1967 14:30, 31 May 2006 (UTC)
  • Delete - Google search on "CineMasters Studios" doesn't even return a single hit. Not a one. Obviously the group exists, since they've created this page, but this is about as non-notable and unverifiable as it gets. MikeWazowski 05:05, 31 May 2006 (UTC)

I started an argument? Cool.

Oh, and BrandNew21 and 72.229.107.247, thanks for agreeing to keep this article. You guys rule. As for Fan1967, your line about 'This looks a lot like a duplicate vote, in that the user page for72.229.107.247 was edited by BrandNew21, so it doesn't seem unreasonable to suspect they're the same person' really doesn't seem neccessary. If you felt that my article really needed to be deleted that badly, you wouldn't need to say desperate stuff like 'Ooh, I think that's a duplicate vote'. No offence or anything. And about Google search- I can't work out how to get my website into Google. Should it get indexed automatically?TheVortex 14:24, 31 May 2006 (UTC)

Try http://www.google.fr/addurl/?continue=/addurl -- Equendil 17:26, 31 May 2006 (UTC)
Read this and tell me you think it's "desperate" to believe that they're the same person. (BTW, it's routine in AfD discussions to identify suspect votes). - Fan1967 19:17, 31 May 2006 (UTC)

Ah, well if it's routine in AfD discussions, then I guess you should point out duplicate voters. No problem. TheVortex 19:21, 31 May 2006 (UTC)

  • Keep: Honestly no one is going to search for "cinemasters studios" in Wikipedia unless they really wanted to find something out about it, this article could hardly be considered "advertising"! Surely this is an Internet resource for people to expand and use happily?—Preceding unsigned comment added by XOdd Ladx (talk • contribs)
  • Note It's also routine to point out when a vote comes from a brand new user with no other Wikipedia edits. Fan1967 21:17, 31 May 2006 (UTC)
  • Note: Is this just a point out and not a put down? XOdd Ladx 08:34, 1 June 2006 (UTC)

True, but he or she does make a valid argument. TheVortex 21:39, 31 May 2006 (UTC)

  • Not really. It's a pretty common one, though, whenever someone wants to keep an article on some little-known person or thing. Only problem is, it ignores Wikipedia standards, and without those, all you've got is an unregulated forum. Fan1967 21:52, 31 May 2006 (UTC)
  • Delete per nom. Stifle (talk) 11:56, 3 June 2006 (UTC)
The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.