Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Cinco de Ocho

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The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or on a Votes for Undeletion nomination). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result of the debate was Delete --Allen3 talk 02:39, 21 October 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Cinco de Ocho

If we can cite a source that shows Jesus delivered pistolas to the Frito Bandito, I'll post a picture on my user page of myself wearing nothing but a toga made of corn chips. brenneman(t)(c) 04:28, 15 October 2005 (UTC)

  • Racist garbage. Delete with extreme prejudice. User:Zoe|(talk) 04:31, 15 October 2005 (UTC)
    • Not delete for extreme prejudice? brenneman(t)(c) 04:36, 15 October 2005 (UTC)
  • Hoax and a half. Delete.  RasputinAXP  talk * contribs 04:49, 15 October 2005 (UTC)
  • Comment I don't understand with what substancial evidence you back up your disrespectful and ineffectual qualms... I would be very interested to see what (if any) evidence demonstrates a lack of cogent content. For a holiday that I have several times participated in (and know my town is not the only), I find it disgraceful that you would throw such rag-tag nonsense about. The claim that this is a hoax is not just false, it's disrespectful and insulting. Mastab
    • Source Mexican Immigration & Popular Culture by David Maciel cites Cinco de Ocho, I believe... I am sorry I cannot provide a page Mastab
      • Both of these are unsigned edits by User:Mastab, whose edit history primarily includes promoting the Cinco de Ocho holiday and having his edits reverted (though, to be fair, most of said RVs were undertaken by Aaron Brenneman). Aforementioned book does exist, but Googling for "cinco de ocho" brings up nothing useful. Delete badfaith hoax but willing to change mind if presented with solid evidence. Marblespire 05:10, 15 October 2005 (UTC)
  • I will attempt to do so [by which I mean provide solid factual evidence]. I apologize for not making more official posts. I am still fairly new to the wikipedia community. How might I go about posting additional comments while including my Username as you guys have previously? Mastab <- My wanna-be tag
  • Delete unverifiable nonsense --Anetode 05:52, 15 October 2005 (UTC)
  • Comment At least give me some time to provide further evidence. The information provided in the article is a conglomeration of various beliefs, myths, and traditions observed by people both in my town and about the wider global community. I have provided this article with the best intentions, and would appreciate it if people could be a little more lenient in their rulings... as soon as a find a chance to investigate more in depth, I will do so. I plan to make a trip to my local library early tomorrow morning so as to provide you all with verifiable quotes from assorted texts. I hope you all have the patience and maturity to act rashionally, as you have thus far. - Mastab Will someone please tell me how to set a Tag!?
  • Delete, silly hoax. --Angr/tɔk tə mi 07:26, 15 October 2005 (UTC)
  • Delete as obvious hoax. - A Man In Black (conspire | past ops) 09:10, 15 October 2005 (UTC)
  • Delete as nonsense hoax. Mastab, do you really think that you are going to convince anyone that there is a holiday in Mexican mythology based upon the Frito Bandito? --Metropolitan90 16:26, 15 October 2005 (UTC)
  • Comment Quite possibly yes. By the way, it is not a holiday in Mexican mythology as you have stated, though it now marks a new occurence within the mythological realm. I concur, that would be nonsensical garbage, as the Frito bandito wasn't around until the 1960's. However, it is a "holiday" that is celebrated every October the 13th in various homes across the country and in the wider global community in protest to the discontinuation of Frito Bandito. The mythological story that comes along with the holiday may be infactual, however, I don't see anyone providing better. As I have stated before, the contents of the pages "is a conglomeration of various beliefs, myths, and traditions observed by people both in my town and about the wider global community". I am now off to the library to gather about further resources to support my claim. I cannot believe I am spending so much time defending an article who's deletion would not affect me, but rather thoughs who feel they may gain something from the information provided. I will return shortly. Thanks by the way for the advice Anetode. Mastab 16:49, 15 October 2005 (UTC)
  • Throwing my vote in for hoax hoax hoax hoax hoax kill it with fire. DS 18:19, 15 October 2005 (UTC)
  • Redirect to Seven of Nine. What? Oh, sorry, delete as preposterous hoax, and let's keep an eye on this author's edits. MCB 23:38, 15 October 2005 (UTC)
    I have nominated the two other related nonsense articles for Afd:
    Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/Pistolas
    Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/Pistolos
  • Delete Me vale madre! Es un chiste! Yo vivo en Tampico, en el norte de Mexico. Aqui, no hay 'Dia del Cinco de Ocho' - este es una chinga de mierda! Eddie.willers 04:18, 16 October 2005 (UTC)
  • Delete. Nonsense hoax. *drew 05:45, 16 October 2005 (UTC)
  • Delete. Excellent candidate for WP:BJAODN or Uncyclopedia. --Clay Collier 06:56, 16 October 2005 (UTC)
  • Keep Thanks for the Contribution Seniore Eddie Willers of Tampico Mexico. I ecspecially appreciate your statement.. of este es una chinga de mierda. Spanish or not, that translates to "this is a 'fuck of shit' ". I do not believe that kind of language and disrespect is in order in this setting. Regardless of the dialect in which it is spoken. I will cease posting/editing further articles to comply with the many complaints I have recieved as a result of my first (and last) contribution to Wikipedia. If you guys cannot appreciate the practices of another generation, then it's your loss. Whether it's a matter of faith or morals, the fact that you people would dare to critisize these practices is undermining to our society and the common good of the people (minority or not). Thanks. Mastab 06:59, 16 October 2005 (UTC)
    • You refer (several entries above) to "Mexican Immigration & Popular Culture" by David Maciel as your source which cites this holiday. This appears to be a reference to the book "Culture Across Borders: Mexican Immigration & Popular Culture" edited by David R. Maciel and María Herrera-Sobek (Amazon.com finds no other similarly titled work by this or any similarly named author). Fortunately, Amazon.com makes available online the entire index to this book. There is no entry in the index for "Cinco de Ocho" [1]. By the way, the article under discussion claims that "The crisis hit rock-bottom when, at one point, four out of every three Mexicans was a bandito" (emphasis added). Pardon me if I find it hard to believe this. --Metropolitan90 09:34, 16 October 2005 (UTC)
  • Delete. Not even good enough for BJAODN. Rossami (talk) 07:02, 16 October 2005 (UTC)
  • Comment: I bet the only reason we didn't speedy this is because the article was actually written, spelled and formatted properly. ~Mbsp
  • Comment Also not mentioned in the index is Cinco de Mayo, a celebration into which the book delves substantially. As the saying goes... don't judge a book by it's cover... Don't judge it by its index either. Agreed the four out of every three Mexicans is unrealistic... a sentence structure mistake. Forgive me for my crime against humanity, that will be corrected to as it should be... 3 out of 4. Keep throwin the hardball... Mastab 16:54, 16 October 2005 (UTC)
  • Comment: We now also have Cinco de Neuve, created by a username that attempted to vandalize the AfD discussion at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Pistolos. I'm attempting to get it speedied. --Clay Collier 22:59, 16 October 2005 (UTC)
  • Comment Thank you. It is really frustrating when additional articles pop up in order to mock and degrade my own. I fully support any actions you take. Mastab 23:21, 16 October 2005 (UTC)
  • Comment. This page was vandalized by User:Amdahlj who removed some votes and changed others from Delete to Keep [2]. I have since reverted his changes and reinstated the changes made after his vandalism; please review this page to make sure your votes say what they were intended to say. --Metropolitan90 23:44, 16 October 2005 (UTC)
    • Amdahlj is the critter that pulled the same trick on the Pistolos discussion. He's already been warned once about vandalising AfD discussions. He should be blocked as a vandal if this continues. --Clay Collier 01:14, 17 October 2005 (UTC)
  • Delete crap --Rogerd 04:52, 18 October 2005 (UTC)
The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in an undeletion request). No further edits should be made to this page.