Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Church of the Holy Donut

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was merge any relevant content to Bernie Ward. - Bobet 13:51, 31 July 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Church of the Holy Donut

nn group. only 71 ghits. Would speedy but they claim to have thousands of followers. --Pboyd04 23:33, 16 July 2006 (UTC)

• Delete As a talk show phenomenon, we have to discount the host and station as non-independent sources. The WSJ article mentions the organization, but they are not the subject of the article. Insufficient evidence of notability. In fact, with Wikipedia excluded from the google search there are 9 unique hits of about 30. This is about as close to unheard of as you can get. GRBerry 01:59, 17 July 2006 (UTC)
• keep: With roughly three decades on the air, including two years in national syndication, the Church of the Holy Donut has long since established its notability. Goofle hit counts are notoriously deficient when it comes to subjects that predate the Internet ether, and the lengthy history of Bernie Ward's on air 'sermons' to his congregation of followers on a 50k watt clear channel far outstrips the lesser notability of the many single tv episode articles and one hit disco wonders that populate Wiki namespace. Ombudsman 02:50, 17 July 2006 (UTC)
• Delete nn. It's claim of thousands of members is unverifiable; and besides, were it true, thousands of members of a religion is hardly notable. What have the Holy Donuts done? Raised the dead, built hospitals, hold parades where everyone weas a Fez? NO. parishcruft. Carlossuarez46 18:39, 17 July 2006 (UTC)

• comment: Among the significant contributions made by Holy Donut congregants has been their many gifts to the annual Thanksgiving food can drive for St. Anthony's Dining Hall. One year, when Ward's contract had not been renewed by KGO (AM), the station was literally inundated with thousands upon thousands of cans; that clear show of support by congregants for one of the many causes advocated by Ward and the Holy Donuts had a direct impact on KGO's ultimate decision to continue broadcasting his talk show. With regard to the thousands who have claimed their membership on air by accepting an individual congregant number, surely KGO and its listeners would have raised hue and cry if the numbers were massaged in any way. Indeed, the numbers assigned to congregants represent a not-too-subtle poke at the sort of accounting deceptions and numbers manipulation that have contributed to the increasingly common phenomenon that statistics can be, and often are, misused, i.e. the "71 ghits" premise used above to misrepresent a subject that predates the Internet. Ombudsman 21:32, 17 July 2006 (UTC)

• You'll get more mileage out of the ghits irrelevant argument if you add citations to independent, older media articles that are primarily about this organization. I remain unconvinced that this meets our standards for notability. GRBerry 21:55, 17 July 2006 (UTC)
• Comment I was part of a club in college that gave 10,000 cans to a charity and that was all of 100 of us... Your story doesn't really help your case too much. --Pboyd04 00:04, 18 July 2006 (UTC)

 AFD relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so that consensus may be reached.
 Please add new discussions below this notice. Thanks, Can't sleep, clown will eat me 09:39, 23 July 2006 (UTC)

• Merge to Bernie Ward or delete as around 50% of the content is uncited and several claims are unverifiable from reliable secondary sources. Just zis Guy you know? 10:58, 23 July 2006 (UTC)

• Delete It is a radio program not a church. Should be merged into Bernie Ward --Michael Johnson 13:16, 23 July 2006 (UTC)
• Delete all microfaiths --Aoratos 15:56, 23 July 2006 (UTC)
• Merge as per Michael Johnson and Just zis Guy. Being around for over 30 years establishes some notability, but this should be part of the Bernie Ward article rather than it's own piece. Allisonmontgomery69 15:58, 23 July 2006 (UTC)
• Strong Keep Per Ombudsman. Long-running show by notable broadcast personality. Irongargoyle 16:26, 23 July 2006 (UTC)
• Clear Keep per Ombudsman. I see no justifiable reason to merge this article, the show is noteworthy in and of itself and is distinct from the Bernie Ward. It is a show that will doubtless continue with a new host long after Bernie is gone.--Nicodemus75 18:57, 23 July 2006 (UTC)
• Merge and redirect to Bernie Ward as noted above. —C.Fred (talk) 20:20, 23 July 2006 (UTC)
• Merge relevant content per JzG.--Chaser T 00:57, 24 July 2006 (UTC)
• Merge better as a footnote than a main article. Midgley 10:13, 26 July 2006 (UTC)
• Strong Delete --Yunipo 12:21, 29 July 2006 (UTC)
• Merge relevant content to God talk section of Bernie Ward article. MarkBuckles 18:35, 30 July 2006 (UTC)

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.