Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Christmas Jones

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was No consensus. Walton^One 19:51, 18 December 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Christmas Jones

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Contested prod, prod reason is "Non-notable character. No source exists that would make the article more than a plot summary". Bringing here to stop a prod-war. Procedural, no opinion. UsaSatsui (talk) 19:36, 10 December 2007 (UTC)

• Merge and redirect to The World is Not Enough. Sam Blacketer (talk) 19:38, 10 December 2007 (UTC)

• Merge and redirect to the movie article, per Sam Blacketer. No need for a stand alone article that just regurgitates the plot. Fails WP:FICT. Collectonian (talk) 20:53, 10 December 2007 (UTC)

• Note: This debate has been included in the list of Fictional characters-related deletions. —Quasirandom (talk) 21:26, 10 December 2007 (UTC)

• Keep and source. See Bond girl. Most Bond girls have their own articles, and see the extensive list of characters at the bottom of the Christmas Jones article. Corvus cornix_talk 23:42, 10 December 2007 (UTC)
  • But there is no reason for this one. Other bond girls appear in novels so their origins are notable. Vikrant 14:25, 11 December 2007 (UTC)
  • Further the article Bond girl is notable since they make up an integral part of the film series. Even the external links provided on that article have hardly any coverage of Dr. Jones. Vikrant 14:44, 11 December 2007 (UTC)

• Comment this does bring up the question: is being a Bond Girl inherently notable (in the way, say, being a member of a legislature confers automatic notability)? I can't believe this hasn't been discussed before -- probably in an AfD -- with some sort of consensus. Does anyone know where, and is able to point the rest of us to it? —Quasirandom (talk) 03:22, 11 December 2007 (UTC)

• Redirect to The World Is Not Enough or similiar article on cast of character. The character has not appeared in books or games or multiple films. Alientraveller (talk) 10:11, 11 December 2007 (UTC)

• Keep Some not-plot information that could be added: what did the actress think of the character and what did reviews of The World Is Not Enough say about the character. Bond films always get a lot of media attention, so sources should not be hard to find, eg [1], [2], [3]. A little bit here. Here's another article from the BBC about how the character was included in a lot of marketing to attract the young male demographic. Personally I think that all Bond girls are notable. Lots of articles are written about them (like the BBC article above), they are written about in books (eg [4]) and they are a huge part of culture. Bláthnaid 10:51, 11 December 2007 (UTC)

  Denise Richards, and not the character, was involved in marketing. The rest of the sources stated above are just the actress's words. Vikrant 14:41, 11 December 2007 (UTC)

  Denise Richards was cast in the role of Christmas Jones, so I think it is relevant. It is OK to use interviews as sources as long as the interviews are published in reliable sources. I have added real-world information and sources to the article. The character also appeared in a novel and video game, so IMO a merge with the film article is not appropriate. Here [5] [6] are some books about Bond girls that could be used as sources, and a TV documentary [7]. Bláthnaid 10:18, 13 December 2007 (UTC)

• Delete What the actress says about the character is more relevant to the film article than the character. There is practically nothing we can do in this case. Vikrant 14:24, 11 December 2007 (UTC)

• Keep and Source/Expand This character is obviously notable enough to have her own article (because once you delete it, someones just going to create it again), and is notable because she was a main Bond girl in a novel. It currently dosen't have anything but a plot summary but in time it will expand. And to "Vikrant", if you check other character pages you often see the actor/actresses opinions on it (eg. Jack Sparrow). It can be expanded, it just need time and an editors willingness.  SpecialWindler talk (currently offlineoffline)  05:26, 13 December 2007 (UTC)
• Keep The character is notable enough to have a seperate article. The article just needs some expanding and general improvement - • The Giant Puffin • 10:48, 15 December 2007 (UTC)

• Keep all it needs is a reference here or there, and it's up to par. _{El Greco}^(talk) 15:32, 15 December 2007 (UTC)
• Merge with The World Is Not Enough. Fromseatoshiningsea (talk) 00:05, 16 December 2007 (UTC)

• Keep - All lead female characters have pages about them so why can't this? All it needs is sourcing. Highfields (talk) (contribs) 10:56, 16 December 2007 (UTC)

• Strong Keep - All Bond girls are highly notable. Tovojolo (talk) 15:02, 16 December 2007 (UTC)

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.