Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Christian Bible

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was delete and redirect. Kwsn (Ni!) 03:59, 1 November 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Christian Bible

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Content fork of this diff of "Bible" to this diff of "Christian Bible", with Hebrew Bible section removed. uɐɔlnʌɟoʞǝɹɐs 16:07, 26 October 2007 (UTC)

Delete making it a redirect to The Bible. Obviously these two articles are about the same thing, so they should be one article. The redirect is the best solution. 199.71.183.2 19:17, 26 October 2007 (UTC)

Comment Please don't take offense at this, but am I wrong in thinking that Christian Bible and Bible should be Merged because they might be the... same? Mindraker 19:35, 26 October 2007 (UTC)

The argument appears to be that since there is a holy book sometimes referred to as the Hebrew Bible, the articles should be independent of each other. I disagree, but I can see the point.--uɐɔlnʌɟoʞǝɹɐs 19:45, 26 October 2007 (UTC)

Comment Oh, I see what you're saying. I thought they called it the Torah, instead of the 'Hebrew Bible'. Or is that essentially what "Torah" means? If that's the case, the specification of "Christian Bible", and then "Bible" might be necessary. Mindraker 20:03, 26 October 2007 (UTC)

If this article stays then Bible must be rewritten to be about Bibles (i.e. scriptures) in general, but I think that's a second rate solution. My understanding is that Jews call their Scriptures the "Hebrew Bible" only to explain what it is to non-Jews, and would never call them "The Bible" if they could avoid it. 199.71.183.2 20:21, 26 October 2007 (UTC)

According to our own article, Hebrew Bible is just a term for portions of scripture common to the Hebrew Scriptures and Christian Old Testament. 199.71.183.2 20:45, 26 October 2007 (UTC)

Comment: "Bible" might be a good disambiguation page -- going to things like "KJV", "Hebrew Bible", "Christian Bible", etc. Mindraker 21:12, 26 October 2007 (UTC)

The disambiguation page is Bible (disambiguation). Scripture need not equate to Bible. For example, The Book of Mormon is scripture for Mormons, but it is not part of the Bible. jonathon 02:46, 28 October 2007 (UTC)

• Delete and Redirect - the holy books of each religion have their own names in which they are commonly known. No need to reverse justify THE Bible. -- Emana 01:42, 27 October 2007 (UTC)
• Delete and redirect per above. Wryspy 05:39, 27 October 2007 (UTC)
• Delete, redirect per others. Doctorfluffy 22:13, 27 October 2007 (UTC)
• Redirect This is a POV fork. The only issue should be whether or not the fork is justifiable. There has been some discussion of this on the talk page for Bible. The consensus was to rewrite/re-organize the article on the Bible, until/unless the different theological positions grew to require a separate article. jonathon 02:46, 28 October 2007 (UTC)
• Comment The question should be asked if there is any distinction between Christian Bible and Bible. The assumption of a Christian is that they are the same. However, what does that mean to a Hindu or Taoist looking for NPOV research on the issue. It seems prejudicial to take it that the two (Christian Bible and Bible) are the same. And, although those of the Jewish tradition might generally prefer other terms to label their version of the bible, it seems that the assumption they only refer to their bible as such is reaching a bit far. The original texts are from their tradition, afterall. Another question is, would there be many people looking up the term Christian Bible? A simple redirect would handle this for now, but it seems if there is a lot of searching on that term, people might be expecting to find something under that entry which is different from Bible. Fcsuper 22:37, 28 October 2007 (UTC)

Taoism has its own names for its scriptures, and Hinduism doesn't seem to have an equivalent. Non-Christian religions seem to refer to their scriptures as 'Bible' only when they are seeking to explain them to those of Christian culture. Like Christians might try to explain the Bible to a Muslim as "The Christian Koran". 199.71.183.2 15:47, 29 October 2007 (UTC)

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.