Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Christiaan Richter

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The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was delete. Jaranda wat's sup 23:11, 9 August 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Christiaan Richter

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Delete if the red-linked award claimed is not a major one, given its red-link that's probably so, not notable per WP:MUSIC, also note that the primary author is User:CR music who by coincidence of name may have a WP:COI. There are about 150 ghits for "Christiaan Richter", mostly about a chemical engineer and nanotechnologist (if that's a word), but a few about this guy too. Carlossuarez46 17:39, 2 August 2007 (UTC)

  • Keep, If anyone bothers to look in other language Wikipedia the award is given with a article on the award and this person as the winner for two years.. I do not read Dutch, but do read a bit of french and he seams to be notable for the winning of those two awards. I attached the link of the article http://nl.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prinses_Christina_Concours Callelinea 18:31, 2 August 2007 (UTC)
  • Weak keep, this guy won a notable Dutch competition twice. I read Dutch and for what it's worth, the Dutch article is currently disputed for copyvio and self-promotion, but AFAIK this shouldn't influence us in any way. --Targeman 19:23, 2 August 2007 (UTC)
  • Delete Violation of WP:AUTO. I don't speak Dutch but it's clear that this is a competition for teenagers. Sorry, but, just like we don't have articles on high-school athletes who aren't notable on a larger stage, winning a competition for kids doesn't meet the standard of WP:NOTABILITY, especially without any other evidence of notability. Darkspots 16:10, 3 August 2007 (UTC)
  • Comment. This is a prestigious nationwide competition for musicians aged 12 to 19 (so it arguably includes adults). It is not open for "high school kids" but for potential young prodigies (think Vanessa-Mae, etc.) Richter was covered my national media [1], [2], so I don't think we have a notability issue here. --Targeman 16:45, 3 August 2007 (UTC)
  • The key here is the word "potential." Vanessa-Mae had an impressive discography at this guy's age--if any notable recordings of Christiaan Richter's work exist, now's the time to put them in. Please see WP:CRYSTAL--we don't have articles about people who may become notable, only those who are notable now. Regarding your sources, are there any English-language ones? Why is it necessary for him to have an article on English Wikipedia if he only has things written about him in Dutch, and his only notability is winning a Dutch competition for young adults? Also, these sources are not feature-length, but merely report his name and the fact that he won the competition. WP:NOTABILITY specifically requires sources to be more significant than this kind of trivial mention. Darkspots 19:56, 3 August 2007 (UTC)
  • Point taken. Richter satisfies criterion #9 of WP:MUSIC and none of the others. In theory, this should be sufficient per WP policy, but I understand your point. I think you're right that keeping this article would be stretching policy a bit. Deleting the article until Richter gains more notability seems reasonable. (On a side note, I don't think deleting articles just because of a lack of sources in English is a good idea, but that's an other matter altogether). --Targeman 20:12, 3 August 2007 (UTC)
  • So, just so it's clear for the closing admin, you're changing your recommendation from keep to delete? Regarding your side note, I think you're right in general, but this might be an example of a biography that we'd delete and the Dutch Wikipedia would nevertheless keep. Darkspots 23:48, 6 August 2007 (UTC)
  • Yeah, deleting this won't make me lose any sleep :-) --Targeman 23:53, 6 August 2007 (UTC)
  • Delete Richter won a Dutch national competition for students twice. At least the later prize was mentioned in the Dutch press, however it is still early to include him in our encyclopedia. There are so many students who win competitions and get mentioned in the press. Some of them later seek careers outside the music field. I prefer to wait a little for Richter's career to take shape. gidonb 09:45, 5 August 2007 (UTC)
The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.