Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Chris Huffine
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- The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.
The result was Delete as a non-notable biography, WP:BIO refers. (aeropagitica) 21:41, 2 May 2007 (UTC)
[edit] Chris Huffine
As per a discussion on Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Ice_Hockey it is felt that just because a persons name is inscribed on the Stanley Cup (NHL championship trophy) they do not warrant their own article unless they were an actual player on the team. This particular gentleman was just a videographer on the team. We do not feel this makes him notable enough to be on wikipedia as his own article, and instead intend to create a list of the people on the trophy that were "staff" members on the winning teams to cover their inclusion in wikipedia. Djsasso 22:01, 27 April 2007 (UTC)
- Keep - I totally disagree with the above, it should not even be in question. He is not just a trainer but the Video Coach part of the Coaching staff!! This is what HISTORY/(Wikipedia) is all about, interesting facts!!!!! There's many interesting facts about many of these people and not just the players. For example: Chris Huffine is the first North Carolina native to win and have his name etched on the Stanley Cup! This is important to North Carolina Sports history in particular Hockey history!! It's on the Hockey Hall of Fame website: http://www.hhof.com/html/exSCJ06_32.shtml I don't know how many ways to say it. If you've never experienced it you can't judge it... I have and did last year!!! I'm not taking anything from the players, we all know they're the ones that have to get it done!! But, could the players win the Stanley Cup without Trainers, Equipment Managers, Scouts, Video Coaches, Asst. & Head Coaches, Team Services Manager, General Managers, I don't think so!! You need to rethink your proposed changes! - Hadone 16:54, 27 April 2007
- Comment - Wikipedia isn't all about interesting facts. Its about notable facts. The fact his name is engraved on the Stanley Cup for the first time for someone from North Carolina is interesting. I don't dispute that. However, it is not notable enough for its own article. What is being suggested is that we are creating a new article for all those people who were not a player or a coach (cause we all know its mostly those people who affect the winning of the cup). Which we can then put all this information on. There will list and in this case it will have his name "Chris Huffine - Videographer for 2006 Carolina Hurricanes & first person from North Carolina engraved on the Stanley Cup." I mean the formatting will probably be different but you get the idea I am sure. We aren't trying to erase this info, we are just going to place it in the encyclopedia in a more appropriate way. It could be called List of Non-players engraved on the Stanley Cup or something like that. But a bunch of one line articles is not the way to go. --Djsasso 23:13, 27 April 2007 (UTC)
- Response So that means in Wikipedia terms when they were celebrating on-ice and in the locker room last year they should of been separated: Staff separated from the Players and Coaches, right?? The fact of the matter he is part of the coaching staff! He's the Video Coordinator not a Videographer. He does the pre-scouts for the coaches & Players. Just ask Peter Laviolette, Kevin McCarthy or Jeff Daniels! Read page 42 of "The Hockey News" 2007 Annual that came out last fall!! BTW he was the Video Coach for the US Olympic team in 2006. The fact that he's from NC does make this a big deal! I just think it's the way wrong approach. There's guys like Skip Cunningham and Wally Tatomir that have been doing this 30 + years that deserve it more than anyone and get cut-out, I just can't buy that!! Thanks!! - Hadone 18:05, 27 April 2007
- Comment Wikipedia is not a locker room. Its a encyclopaedia. Its not just a fan website for whatever little tidbit that might be interesting to someone. Its a scholastic website in nature and must have certain standards. Videographer or Video Coordinator is just a matter of semantics. Either way he does not meet notability standards. And as stated he will still be in wikipedia. He will just be listed in a more appropriate place. --Djsasso 00:09, 28 April 2007 (UTC)
- Response So that means in Wikipedia terms when they were celebrating on-ice and in the locker room last year they should of been separated: Staff separated from the Players and Coaches, right?? The fact of the matter he is part of the coaching staff! He's the Video Coordinator not a Videographer. He does the pre-scouts for the coaches & Players. Just ask Peter Laviolette, Kevin McCarthy or Jeff Daniels! Read page 42 of "The Hockey News" 2007 Annual that came out last fall!! BTW he was the Video Coach for the US Olympic team in 2006. The fact that he's from NC does make this a big deal! I just think it's the way wrong approach. There's guys like Skip Cunningham and Wally Tatomir that have been doing this 30 + years that deserve it more than anyone and get cut-out, I just can't buy that!! Thanks!! - Hadone 18:05, 27 April 2007
- Comment - Wikipedia isn't all about interesting facts. Its about notable facts. The fact his name is engraved on the Stanley Cup for the first time for someone from North Carolina is interesting. I don't dispute that. However, it is not notable enough for its own article. What is being suggested is that we are creating a new article for all those people who were not a player or a coach (cause we all know its mostly those people who affect the winning of the cup). Which we can then put all this information on. There will list and in this case it will have his name "Chris Huffine - Videographer for 2006 Carolina Hurricanes & first person from North Carolina engraved on the Stanley Cup." I mean the formatting will probably be different but you get the idea I am sure. We aren't trying to erase this info, we are just going to place it in the encyclopedia in a more appropriate way. It could be called List of Non-players engraved on the Stanley Cup or something like that. But a bunch of one line articles is not the way to go. --Djsasso 23:13, 27 April 2007 (UTC)
Delete. He is not part of the coaching staff. His title is "Video Coordinator" on the Hurricanes website. -- JamesTeterenko 23:37, 27 April 2007 (UTC)- Merge and redirect. If the intention is to keep information about this person in Wikipedia on a list, then the article should not be deleted as per the reasons noted by Serpent's Choice below. -- JamesTeterenko 05:12, 1 May 2007 (UTC)
- Delete per nom. Even the Carolina Hurricanes themselves dont feel a need to write a bio for him. Resolute 23:50, 27 April 2007 (UTC)
- Response I thank all of you for your comments! Chris just hasn't updated his bio in the new website, all year his title was Video Coach and the new site has Video Coordinator. It'll be that way until he updates it. If you want hear his story from the horse's mouth read the Hockey News Magazine with Alex O on the cover, pages 42-43. I really don't have to justify anything, I'm just very honored that he's on the Stanley Cup and that I was on the ice for the celebration! As for the Stanley Cup: I've hoisted it, kissed it, drank out of it, fished with it, been to church with it, partied with it, spent the day with it and had it @ my home for an hour!! I thought it was very nice to google his name and see it on the Wikipedia site. Do whatever you want to do with his site, you know how I feel about it! Peace —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Hadone (talk • contribs) 02:56, 28 April 2007 (UTC).
- Merge. Regarding this, and several similar articles nominated simultaneously, I am not aware of the details of the Wikiproject discussion on this matter, but if the intention is to document these people in another format, such as a List of non-players inscribed on the Stanley Cup (or whatever), should these articles not be merged rather than deleted? Why is the AFD process required for this restructuring? Serpent's Choice 04:26, 28 April 2007 (UTC)
- Comment It's because the prods we were using to clean up the old articles were contested by this new user and the user who created a couple of them. I suppose we could have just merged and done redirects now that you mention it. But it wasn't something that was thought of. --Djsasso 06:22, 28 April 2007 (UTC)
- That is still an option. Indeed, I still believe it is the best option. First, because redirects will allow a user searching for, say, "Chris Huffine" to find the most appropriate article. And second, because redirect retain the edit history of these articles to ensure any necessary GFDL compliance. Serpent's Choice 06:43, 28 April 2007 (UTC)
- Comment It's because the prods we were using to clean up the old articles were contested by this new user and the user who created a couple of them. I suppose we could have just merged and done redirects now that you mention it. But it wasn't something that was thought of. --Djsasso 06:22, 28 April 2007 (UTC)
- Delete per nom. Maxamegalon2000 05:07, 28 April 2007 (UTC)
- Delete per nom, fails WP:BIO, WP:V. A directed Google search returns only 92 hits [1] for this fellow. Somehow I don't think too many people are going to be searching for him in Wikipedia, but the infinitesimal possiblity that someone might isn't a strong enough reason to keep an article around. RGTraynor 14:44, 30 April 2007 (UTC)
- Delete per nom, Chris who? GoodDay 17:36, 30 April 2007 (UTC)
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