Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Chipnet

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was Keep the redirect, current title is a sufficiently notable subject, redirect is a possible searchterm for it. Fram (talk) 13:13, 15 January 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Chipnet

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Orphaned Article, no sources and can't be found online Cahk (talk) 03:45, 6 January 2008 (UTC)

Comment [1] [2][3][4] didn't look very hard. The article is not exactly good quality though and probably isnt notable though i cannot comment on how prevalent this is in Holland. --neonwhite user page talk 04:50, 6 January 2008 (UTC)

The article claimed the card to be used in The Netherlands, however, 3/4 of your sources indicated this is a UK-based company. In fact, Infineer, based on its claim on the site, is a US-based company. That's the reason why I say 'it can't be found online'.--Cahk (talk) 05:15, 6 January 2008 (UTC)

I fail to see how it matters what nationality the company that makes the chips is. --neonwhite user page talk 02:43, 7 January 2008 (UTC)

• Weak delete. The sources provided by Neonwhite all appear to suggest that Chipnet is a system used within organizations (particularly on school campuses) as a local cash replacement (i.e, for school meals), not something that would be used by the public at large. I have no idea where the description in the article came from, but it appears to be rather seriously erroneous. (The description of PIN as an "online point-of-sale payment system [...] which transfers payments in real-time" is rather odd, too. Chip and PIN is a closer match, but it only exists in the UK.) There might be some virtue in completely rewriting this article to reflect the reality (that Chipnet is a brand of corporate smartcard system), though. Zetawoof_(ζ) 13:03, 6 January 2008 (UTC)

  Weak keep, given the correct name (Chipknip) and some added sources. Zetawoof_(ζ) 00:29, 7 January 2008 (UTC)

Chipnet is included with every Dutch-issued bank pass (the card used to withdraw cash from ATMs). It is therefore in widespread use. Loading stations are located next to many ATMs. It is used for payment in office canteens, public buses, for car parking, and in many shops. As an foreigner living in the Netherlands for the past six years, I can easily understand why it is regarded as the world's leading electronic cash deployment. This article is weak but as useful placeholder until it is improved. Tim Richardson (talk) 20:16, 6 January 2008 (UTC)

I live in Holland and use my Chipknip every day. Chipnet, however, I've never heard of. Dutch Wikipedia has this article on the chipknip. I think this discussion is about two separate and largely unrelated things, chipknip and chipnet. Wammes Waggle (talk) 21:33, 6 January 2008 (UTC)

Again.. the reason I put the delete template on is because no sources point it towards being a Netherlands system. Yes, I realize you can find system (maybe the same name) online but they all point to the system being used in UK or US which doesn't fit into the article's description. So either the system exist but no financial institution advertise it or the article simply have all the 'facts' wrong.

• Tim, you say the system is used everywhere in Netherlands, could you find articles to back it up? --Cahk (talk) 21:37, 6 January 2008 (UTC)

Comment Believe me, everybody uses this Chipknip here in the Netherlands... Ask any Dutch Wikipedian in ase of any doubts (you might want to try our village pump?) I guess most sources are in Dutch, so that may explain why they're a bit hard to locate... If it's necessary I'll try a Google search in Dutch! The Chipnet is something I've nevr heard of, though, so it may just be that redirect that needs to be deleted... Erik1980 (talk) 21:40, 6 January 2008 (UTC)

Just fo clarify, the re-direct was put on by Tim after he left the comment here.--Cahk (talk) 22:17, 6 January 2008 (UTC)

Thanks... Here's a newspaper article in Dutch (just happened to appear today), but at least it has the names in it so you know it actually exists: nu.nl. The company responsible for all PIN and Chipknip payment is called Currence, you may want to include that in your Google queries? - f translation is required, do ask! Erik1980 (talk) 18:27, 7 January 2008 (UTC)

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• Comment Chipknip [5], i believe, is a smartcards made by the Dutch company Xafax it uses the chipnet3 platform by infineer. We know what it is, what we need now is some source on it's use in the Netherlands. --neonwhite user page talk 02:51, 7 January 2008 (UTC)

I added two references, the second of which graphs the growth in transactions over 8 years. Chipknip was used 165m times in 2006: considering the population of the Netherlands is around 16m people, it is a significant electronic cash implementation. Tim Richardson (talk) 05:17, 8 January 2008 (UTC)

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.