Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/China at the Chess Olympiads

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was Keep. JERRY ^talk _contribs 03:36, 13 January 2008 (UTC)

[edit] China at the Chess Olympiads

China at the Chess Olympiads (edit|talk|history|links|watch|logs) – (View log)

Delete unnecessary fork for one country Mayalld (talk) 16:04, 4 January 2008 (UTC)

• Weak delete. I don't see the need for this data to have an article. Bubba73 (talk), 04:37, 5 January 2008 (UTC)

Comment I think it is more appropriate for an almanac than an encyclopedia. Bubba73 (talk), 13:26, 11 January 2008 (UTC)

• Slow down and comment Please don't bite the newbies!! As far as I understand the two pages China at the Chess Olympiads and China at the 37th Chess Olympiad have been created by User:Gollenaiven and they are its first contribution for Wikipedia. In that perspective his work is really impressive. As he is probably not aware of all our bureaucratic stuff, we should give him extra-opportunities to discuss, explain its case and understand its arguments.

Of course, if I am misguided and this user is not a new editor, everything I say hereover is just plain stupid ;-) SyG (talk) 08:12, 5 January 2008 (UTC)

• Keep. The article is relevant to the chess coverage of wikipedia; it brings together the results of China at the Chess Olympics for many years. I can envisage having such an article for every large chess nation. Statistics and records are an essential part of any encyclopaedia. However articles like China at the 37th Chess Olympiad seem unnecessary to me and are better incorporated in the main article. Voorlandt (talk) 23:55, 5 January 2008 (UTC)
• Keep. This can be fixed and wikified.It shows potential. --Patar knight (talk) 21:51, 6 January 2008 (UTC)
• Strong keep this is highly pertinent in the sport of chess. So far as I can tell this is the only "Country at the Chess Olympiads" article but that is not a criteria/reason for deletion. Wikipedia is a work in progress which allows for other country articles to be created -- not necessarily all at the same time. Lop.dong (talk) 16:25, 7 January 2008 (UTC)
• Delete. Not a notable list. How can this article be verified? Should we have one article per one country per one sporting event per one specific tournament? Not to mention of these specific 'listy' sub articles:

• China at the 23rd Chess Olympiad
• China at the 24th Chess Olympiad
• China at the 25th Chess Olympiad
• China at the 26th Chess Olympiad
• China at the 27th Chess Olympiad
• China at the 28th Chess Olympiad
• China at the 29th Chess Olympiad
• China at the 37th Chess Olympiad (AfD discussion is here)

I think we should limit inclusion of such articles. Dekisugi (talk) 14:16, 8 January 2008 (UTC)

• Comment. You ask, "How can this article be verified?". How about following the link in the article helpfully placed in the References section? And as regards the other articles, let's discuss them in their own AfD. They have no bearing on whether this article should be deleted. Phil Bridger (talk) 18:59, 8 January 2008 (UTC)
  • Nope I can't find there when I clicked the link. It's only a link to a homepage. Dekisugi (talk) 09:06, 9 January 2008 (UTC)

• OK, so you need to click the mouse a few times to get to the appropriate page, but the article is verifiable at that site. In fact it's so verifiable as to make the article look like a possible copyvio! Phil Bridger (talk) 09:33, 9 January 2008 (UTC)

Keep. This is encyclopedic information which would overwhelm the Chess Olympiad article, so is a valid non-POV fork per WP:summary style. I look forward to seeing similar articles about other nations. Phil Bridger (talk) 18:59, 8 January 2008 (UTC)

• Comment. It looks like this might be a copyvio of [1]. I know that that raw facts are not subject to copyright, but in this case the formatting has also been copied, so I'm not sure whether this is allowable. I have listed the article at Wikipedia:Copyright problems/2008 January 9/Articles. Phil Bridger (talk) 09:33, 9 January 2008 (UTC)

• Humortueio has determined that this is not a copyvio. The home page of the web site says "© Free to copy". Phil Bridger (talk) 12:23, 9 January 2008 (UTC)

• comment - This would not be a copyright violation even if it didn't say "free to copy". It is simply a tabulation of data, not some creative work. Bubba73 (talk), 05:41, 11 January 2008 (UTC)

• Comment. This should be kept as it doesn't satisfy any criteria under Reasons for deletion as its copied from another online encyclopedia that's not under copyvio. Humortueio (talk) 11:06, 9 January 2008 (UTC)
• Delete. Like some others, I found this article more borderline than the other China/Olympiad articles, but in the final analysis, just too far 'off-message' to be salvaged. Clearly an editor with great potential though and I'm sure many of the guys at the Chess Wiki-Project will look forward to working with this user on less 'tangential' projects. Brittle heaven (talk) 23:28, 9 January 2008 (UTC)
• Keep. This one is better than the article on China in a particular Olympiad, mostly because it covers a broader topic. China is now one of the top contenders in what is the most prestigious team chess event (2nd place in Turin), and has certainly gained attention in chess publications. Sjakkalle (Check!) 07:41, 11 January 2008 (UTC)
• Keep. I think that the article should be there, but this article needs some kind of annotation or commentary, as it is hard work trying to go through all of those tables that are on the page. Andy4226uk (talk) 11:14, 12 January 2008 (UTC)

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.