Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Chiara Ohoven

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was Delete. SPAs and newbies were discounted. Xoloz 16:46, 21 September 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Chiara Ohoven

Fails WP:Bio she hasn't any importance in Germany or any other country, nobody would know that she exists if her mother wouldn't be UNESCO Goodwill Ambassador Yoda1893 01:32, 12 September 2006 (UTC)

Comment I'm not German, and have no idea who this person is, but what sort of publicity does she get over there? If it's a fair amount, even if only in the tabloids/gossip mags, that would make her notable in my eyes.Dave 03:02, 12 September 2006 (UTC)

• Delete, bitte. Nur 300 Google hits auf Deutsch und in English. There is not even an assertion of notability in the article. :) Dlohcierekim 03:21, 12 September 2006 (UTC)
• Delete per nom.--Peta 05:16, 12 September 2006 (UTC)
• Speedy delete no assertion of notability ⇒ SWATJester ^Ready Aim _Fire! 10:07, 12 September 2006 (UTC)
• Delete as per nom. Lankiveil 12:28, 12 September 2006 (UTC).
• Delete Regarding the comment: No the amount of coverage she gets in Germany does not warrant her inclusion in Wikipedia. --Madcynic 13:50, 13 September 2006 (UTC)
• Keep - comment by the author: As you know, the de: is as exclusionist as it gets, and after this lenghty discussion once and for all decided to keep the entry on Chiara Ohoven - since the incredible media attention she gets does, nilly-willy, make her a celebrity. I don't know what's wrong with Dlohcierekims google settings, but I get more than 40.000 hits. Millions of Germans know her name, like it or not. And this American guide to the "Pars Hiltons of the world" ranks her on par with Ksenia Sobchak, Negar Khan, Katie Price, Belinda Stronach, and Ann Coulter - all of whom have an entry here. --Janneman 16:05, 13 September 2006 (UTC)

Nothing broken.. Results 321 - 330 of about 43,300 for "Chiara Ohoven". (0.89 seconds) -- 84.57.178.214 16:11, 13 September 2006 (UTC)

Comment 300 unique google hits. The other 40,000 are just repeats. If you follow the link I provided, you find the unique hits stop there. Cheers, :) Dlohcierekim 21:23, 13 September 2006 (UTC)

In the German discussion there were much people who voted for the deletion of this unimportant person, She's not half popular like Katie Price for example (She's also in Germany well known for her affairs in F1) But also in Germany today there aren't much people who can remember Chiara Ohoven, she was only a temporal Feature in German medias. She even DOESN't pass the German Relevance criterias de:WP:RK, she is a NOBODY who gets not more than 326 unsimilar G-Hits. – Yoda1893 18:14, 13 September 2006 (UTC)

Quite obviously there were more people who wanted her kept, and with good reasons, too. Had she not met the de:WP:RK, she would have been deleted - sounds logical, hm? Please wage your culture wars elsewhere. And again: she does get more than 40.000 googlehits. And, eh, don't you think it sufficient to vote just once? --Janneman 19:02, 13 September 2006 (UTC)

• delete, I'm german, and I agree with the AFD. Even in Germany, she is not really famous. She is not funny, not good looking, not really famous, only rich and stupid and has ugly lips. That is her fame. And no, she is not a "german Paris Hilton". And she is not relevant internationally. --Tilman 19:03, 13 September 2006 (UTC)

I notice that the category "german socialites" has only one member: her. This is ridiculous. --Tilman 19:07, 13 September 2006 (UTC)

keep de: doesn't even have Bulbasaur, so she has to be more famous than this featured pokemon. -- southgeist 19:09, 13 September 2006 (UTC)

Tilman seems to know quite a lot about her, considering the fact tht she is oh so unknown. --Janneman 14:07, 14 September 2006 (UTC)

All I know is that she is rich and stupid and has ugly lips. This isn't much. I know more about my co-workers, and they're not in wikipedia. --Tilman 21:32, 14 September 2006 (UTC)

There are only 326 REALLY Hits on google the other links are SIMILAR, like you can see here and NODOBY could prove that she pass de:WP:RK. − Yoda1893 21:23, 13 September 2006 (UTC)

since her article is in de: after it was exhaustive discussed, isn't a proof? and why de:Rk which doesn't even allow Bulbasaur? -- southgeist 21:58, 13 September 2006 (UTC)

Well, Google is not always accurate or even pertinent (nor is the German Wikipedia known for sensible decisions). There are 37 articles that mention her in Germany's premier gossip weekly Bunte, a magazine akin to Hello! (source: Lexis-Nexis). I think that demonstrates her relevance for popular culture. Thus, certainly not the caliber of Ann Coulter or even Katie Price, but still: Keep. Fossa 22:12, 13 September 2006 (UTC)

• Delete this gal. She ain't even close to be considered as a German Paris Hilton. Absolutely ridiculous. She got some attention because her mother Ute Ohoven – a blonde mature lady and an eager socialite posing as a UNESCO-charity-matron – pushed her. I mean, I can understand ageing Ute: She ist getting older, and she wanted to establish Chiara as her substitute. I understand that because I know my Sigmund Freud. And I happen to know überblonde mature women and their desperate strategies... So there were some press reports about the chick, telling ... well, nothing. Chiara is not a famous party girl, natch. She is not promoting anything, she hasn't recorded bad songs (she hasn't recorded anything at all), she isn't even a fake blonde with blue contact lenses. She is not best friends with any actors, or singers, or famous socialites. There is no 'One Night in Chiara'. There is just a big nothing. Nada. Niente. Zero. To call her 'The German Paris Hilton' is an insult to Paris. And even in Germany you don't attract fame anymore just because you had bad cosmetic surgery and talk trash. Oh, yes, "Socialite of the Year": try to resarch the jury and its members – and fail. It's a cheap PR-joke. Get her out. --Catgut 03:10, 14 September 2006 (UTC)

• • She's got some attention. I rest my case. It's not up to our judgement to define, who's relevant or not. Fossa 04:05, 14 September 2006 (UTC)

• delete . Just ridiculous. --83.64.115.243 07:00, 14 September 2006 (UTC)

• keep I see no sound reason for this article to be deleted. She's a celebrity, she even won some award that indicates there are a good number of people out there who consider her notable. What more do you want? sebmol 17:37, 14 September 2006 (UTC)
• keep I cannot see any reasons why this fair article should be wiped out--Ekkenekepen 09:17, 19 September 2006 (UTC)
• A clear keep in the German Wikipedia. Her mother ist not the reason for Chiara's prominence, her mother doesn't even have an article in the German Wikipedia ;) I guess, the native en-Users should decide, whether Chiara's German prominence is sufficent for the en-Wikipedia as well. Berlin-Attorney 18:02, 14 September 2006 (UTC)

This price interests nobody (or do you think that we should list all people who have something little in commom with prominents like Thomas Gottschalk, like people who were born in the same city?) and even this price she has only won "half" and her mother IS the reason that anybody knows her (not for her prominence, becaues her prominence doesn't exist). That a German fan of her translated the article into German surely isn't an arguement for having more prominence than her mother! And you can see, that all English Users voted for delete – Yoda1893 18:33, 14 September 2006 (UTC)

This is your fourth statement on this page, I think we all know by now that you want this article to be deleted.

First of all, when Chiara was still a teenager, I knew of Mario Ohoven, her father, because he's a well known German businessman, then I heard of Chiara in TV and only later of her mother.Berlin-Attorney 18:44, 14 September 2006 (UTC)

• Delete not prominent, not notorious enough. Mukadderat 23:57, 14 September 2006 (UTC)
• keep no she is not prominent enough but the article shows quite good that she is living on the bank account of her father

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