Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Chen Ji

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The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was No consensus. —Quarl (talk) 2007-02-11 04:43Z

[edit] Chen Ji

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No refs to show whether this is a hoax, has been tagged as 'possible fiction' for some time. No references, could be just mentioned in another article about the period if he actually existed. Inkpaduta 07:38, 4 February 2007 (UTC)

  • Comment More research is necessary. Can we get in touch with the original author?  Tuvok^Talk|Desk|Contribs  09:47, 4 February 2007 (UTC)
    • The original author, Darin Fidika (talk · contribs), is notorious for creating fiction-filled articles with no distinction between fact and fiction. I don't think contacting him will be at all helpful. --Nlu (talk) 15:37, 10 February 2007 (UTC)
  • Weak keep and improve. This search leads me to believe it is not a hoax, but obviously could do with being improved. Mathmo Talk 12:31, 4 February 2007 (UTC)
  • More information needed I went to see the Chinese Wiki page of this artile, it turned out to be an unrelated Chinese athlete, which is bizarre. Wooyi 15:59, 4 February 2007 (UTC)

Comment Please see talk page of article creator [1], who is blocked indefinitely, and where someone noted that this article was based on a novel, but is presented as history and fact. Inkpaduta 20:35, 4 February 2007 (UTC)

  • Weak keep, for same reason as Mathmo. --queso man 21:18, 4 February 2007 (UTC)
  • Comment Note that the search by Mathmo leads to a novel and/or game called "Romance of the Three Kingdoms," hardly a reliable source for a claimed historical character. Inkpaduta 22:13, 4 February 2007 (UTC)
  • Keep RTK is not "a novel"; check the WP article-- it is one of the great masterpieces of world literature and widely acknowledged as such. As for the history/fiction aspect, it's an historical novel, and its characters are the same as the historical ones, and the descriptions of their role apply to both the novel and the history. The game references appear because multiple games, video series, manga, etc. have been based on the story. It's quite a long WP article, with a long subsidiary article on the characters. Chen Ji is in the list. Most of the characters have separate articles, though it some cases they lead to other people with the same name.
I wish people would not conclude that things arent real or important without at least searching Wikipedia. For further edits or changes, someone who is more familiar with the Chinese sources is obviously needed--I know only the English translation, which is not enough to disambiguate Chinese names. DGG 07:33, 5 February 2007 (UTC)
  • Delete. The subject's notability is suspect (although I acknowledge that historical personalities' notability is fuzzy), and in any case there is no usable, salvageable article here. After deletion, if someone else wants to write a proper article that properly shows notability, he/she is welcome to. --Nlu (talk) 12:53, 5 February 2007 (UTC)
  • Note: This debate has been included in the list of China-related deletions. --   ⇒ bsnowball  13:56, 5 February 2007 (UTC)
  • Delete - after 10 minutes of searching, I was only able find this trivial mention. Addhoc 10:41, 10 February 2007 (UTC)
  • Comment. The interwiki link to Chinese Wikipedia goes to an article on a current Chinese athlete with the same name. Therefore, if deleted, and someone with sufficient knowledge on the subject (and actually, that wouldn't be me since my knowledge as to the Chinese sports scene is limited) hopefully will restart the article, but about the athlete. --Nlu (talk) 15:39, 10 February 2007 (UTC)
The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.