Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Che Guevara's Farewell Letter

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result of the debate was DELETE, since the final comment reveals it has already been 'transwikied'. -Splash^talk 23:34, 10 January 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Che Guevara's Farewell Letter

This belongs at Wikisource if it isn't a copyvio, which it probably is. Cookiecaper 05:37, 4 January 2006 (UTC)

• Transwiki, then link at Che Guevara. Primary historical source material, it should be kept somewhere. Smerdis of Tlön 06:05, 4 January 2006 (UTC)
• Transwiki and link per Ihcoyc. It was written on April 1, 1965, according to a bit of research (other sites confirm, that was just a high Google hit), but I'm unsure how that applies to copyvio status. I'm a little shaky on copyright law! Snurks ^{T C} 06:11, 4 January 2006 (UTC)
• Well, according to his article, he was most likely in Congo on April 1, 1965, so the copyright status would have more to do with the copyright law in Congo and/or Cuba in 1965. Cookiecaper 06:34, 4 January 2006 (UTC)
  • I'm not even sure that matters in the first place; the editor claims he translated it from Spanish and released it to the public domain, which would seem to nullify where or when the original was written. Snurks ^TC 06:58, 4 January 2006 (UTC)
    • A translation is a derivative work, so you can't just translate someone else's words and release them. And if it isn't copyvio, the original Spanish should be at Wikisource, as well as this translation. Cookiecaper 07:28, 4 January 2006 (UTC)
      • This is an official statement from some sort of government figure or would-be government figure, or officer or agent of the Cuban government. As such, it is very likely uncopyrightable source material in the original Spanish. Smerdis of Tlön 13:54, 4 January 2006 (UTC)
        • Not all governments release their work into the public domain as the United States does. e.g. Crown copyright. Cookiecaper 19:59, 4 January 2006 (UTC)
• Transwiki. I put that on the page. Daniel Case 06:28, 4 January 2006 (UTC)
• Transwiki per above. - Mgm|^(talk) 13:13, 4 January 2006 (UTC)
• Transwiki as above. No copyvio as this is an historical document. 23skidoo 15:18, 4 January 2006 (UTC)

Everything's a historical document, that doesn't invalidate something's copyright. There is a legitimate claim upon fair use for at least some portions of this document, but it has not been shown as free. Maybe we should just let the people at Wikisource deal with this, as fair use appears to be a valid inclusion criterion if you can make the right argument. Cookiecaper 19:59, 4 January 2006 (UTC)

• Transwiki. --Terence Ong ^Talk 15:03, 5 January 2006 (UTC)
• Polaris999 (talk · contribs) has begun Che Guevara's Farewell Letter at Wikisource. Transwikification is now no longer a valid choice. Uncle G 17:52, 5 January 2006 (UTC)
• At 00:02 GMT on January 4, Polaris999 added this to the article's talk page: "I accidentally created this page here, I was really intending to place it in Wikisource. I have now created it there, so this page should be deleted ASAP. Sorry for the inconvenience. Polaris999 06:02, 4 January 2006 (UTC)" Cookiecaper 21:31, 5 January 2006 (UTC)

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.