Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Charlie Zink

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The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was Keep. CitiCat ♫ 02:58, 2 August 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Charlie Zink

not noteable per WP:BIOTruest blue 22:52, 26 July 2007 (UTC)


  • Note: This debate has been included in the list of baseball-related deletions. —Truest blue 04:23, 27 July 2007 (UTC)
  • Weak Keep and expand. Pro ball player, and has left the bench; needs to find sources. Anyone? --Dennis The Tiger (Rawr and stuff) 23:15, 26 July 2007 (UTC)
  • Delete, per WP:NOTE. BullzeyeComplaint Dept./Contribs) 23:22, 26 July 2007 (UTC)
  • Keep. Zink hasn't pitched in the majors, but he did make the All-Star team for the Class AA Eastern League this season,[1] which is a reasonable assertion of notability for a minor-league player, and he HAS been the subject of a lot more media coverage than the average minor-league player, due to the fact that he throws a knuckleball (a dying pitch in today's game). I think a reasonable article could be created from various news profiles of him (Sacramento Bee, Rob Neyer at ESPN.com, Baseball Prospectus, Boston Globe, etc.), and I'd be willing to do this if the article is kept. -Hit bull, win steak(Moo!) 01:34, 27 July 2007 (UTC)
    • I would remove my nomination per (Moo!)'s references. However article should enhance emphasis on the knuckleball aspect. Truest blue
  • Weak DeleteNeutral Although there are signs of notability, I'd go with WP:BASEBALL's notability criteria of appearing in a game in the majors Corpx 02:39, 27 July 2007 (UTC)
  • Comment Corpx, you seem to only rely upon the WP:WPBB criterion of appearing in at least one MLB game for notability. But WP:WPBB specifically states that the WP:BIO criteria also apply? In particular, it seems to me that amateur and minor league players who have had reasonably extensive coverage in the popular press (WP:BIO criterion #1) and who have received notable awards and honors (WP:BIO criterion #3) are potentially sufficiently notable for WP articles. --Sanfranman59 17:43, 27 July 2007 (UTC)
  • You're right, but I just cant justify keeping somebody who has not been past AAA Corpx 19:20, 27 July 2007 (UTC)
  • Keep I concur with User:Hit bull, win steak's argument. --Sanfranman59 17:43, 27 July 2007 (UTC)
  • Keep: Corpx -- this one's for you. I'm not a fan of the "play one game at the majors" standard. There are plenty of minor league prospects that warrant inclusion in Wikipedia even though they haven't pitched at the major league level. For example, there is a lot of talk about the Yankees bringing up a hard-throwing prospect named Joba Chamberlain, but he has yet to make the major league level. Does that mean he doesn't belong in Wikipedia? Absolutely not. He's been mentioned in the New York Times, Newsday, the Associated Press and several other major news outlets[2][3][4]. No one has nominated this kid for deletion despite not having pitched a single game at the Major League Level. Simply put, the standard shouldn't be as rigid as you make it out to be. Here, Zink has had significant press coverage because he throws a knuckleball, which is enough to establish notability. Chengwes 06:42, 31 July 2007 (UTC)
  • Joba's a different story. He absolutely lit it up at UNL and I'm sure he has plenty of awards to show for his contributions at the "highest amateur level". My reasoning if that if a prospect is that unmissable, then he'd be called up to the majors that much quicker and the guideline would apply Corpx 06:51, 31 July 2007 (UTC)
  • Fair enough. But my stance is that if you've received coverage from "published secondary sources that are reliable, intellectually independent, and independent of the subject" that warrants inclusion into Wikipedia. This kid seems to have met the standard in WP:BIO given the press about his knuckleball. Chengwes 16:44, 31 July 2007 (UTC)
  • Comment Seeing that I have little understanding of the sport (or the stats listed in the article, for that matter), I think this article needs improvement to be worth keeping in the encyclopaedia. Remove the name-checking, and the article has little to lean on. --Aarktica 20:11, 31 July 2007 (UTC)
The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

RESULT. CitiCat ♫ 02:58, 2 August 2007 (UTC)