Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Charles Guo

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result of the debate was Delete. Stifle (talk) 01:07, 19 April 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Charles Guo

I believe that this page is a hoax. It was originally created (and speedied) as an attack page, then immediately recreated by the same person, who has removed deletion tags when I've placed them there but offered no explanation. "Charles Guo" + opera, "Charles Guo" + "Yi Guo", "Charles Guo" + "Guo Yi", and "Charles Guo" + "El Tigre" all get nothing on Google; and while the picture is really of someone named Yi Guo, I haven't been able to find evidence that what the article says about Yi Guo has any relationship to the truth. There are sources listed but I can't investigate them further because I don't speak the language. AdelaMae ^{(talk - contribs)} 02:53, 13 April 2006 (UTC)

• Comment If this hadn't been initially an attack page, I would have assumed it was legit, but insufficiently referenced. That's because there is really a Chinese opera singer under the name Yi Guo [1] [2] and the names of the operas & references check out. So, clearly the author knows something about Chinese opera. Since there is a real Yi Guo, perhaps we should delete this title and move only verifiable info, from the links above, to Yi Guo. Brillig20 05:23, 13 April 2006 (UTC)

• This diff raises a red flag for me. If there were such huge mistakes (date of birth off by 18 years, stated he was known for directing rather than performance) in the original text of the article, how reliable is it now - considering that all this material was contributed by the same author? Based on the English sources we've got, the only thing we can verify is basically that he's a Kunqu artist who graduated from the Shanghai Chinese Opera Academy and he performs in clown roles. That's not even a stub. Also, I am not convinced that Yi Guo meets WP:BIO... lack of Google hits doesn't necessarily mean much here, but I don't get the impression from the Kunqu website that he has done much that would merit inclusion in a Wikipedia article about him. Compare his bio to the bio of Grace Hui-hsin Wang on that same website or the Wikipedia article on Méi Lánfāng. I am far from an expert on Kunqu theater and I do believe that such topics are woefully underrepresented on Wikipedia, but my instinct is telling me that something is not right here. - AdelaMae ^{(talk - contribs)} 08:12, 13 April 2006 (UTC)

• Comment Google tests dont really have any meaning with non-latin based languages. If he has been a prominent performer then it may still only be in chinese script. So the DOB was off by 18 years, if its right now then its okay right. Trouble I have is finding more sources for it. I hate to have to say it but it seems like a hoax. Ansell 13:52, 13 April 2006 (UTC)
• I met Yi Guo on a trip to Beijing last year. I talked to him on the plane, and he called himself "Charles." I apologize for my mistake about the date of birth, but this is a real person who addresses himself as "Charles." I believe having articles such as this one on Beijing opera is essential; we must broaden our horizons. Sure, Yi is not the most famous actor, but he is certainly well regarded for his performances and is well known in the Beijing opera circuit. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Eadinsmore (talk • contribs) .

• Can you point out which information in the article comes from which sources, maybe using some footnotes? Unfortunately, your personal conversations with him can't be used as a source for the article, so we will probably have to move it to Yi Guo unless there is another source for that. But if I could just get some reassurance that this information is coming from reliable sources, I would be happy to withdraw the nomination. - AdelaMae ^{(talk - contribs)} 20:02, 17 April 2006 (UTC)

• Delete, or merge if there's an article under his other name. Stifle (talk) 20:26, 17 April 2006 (UTC)
• Delete for now, would support relisting under Yi Guo if sourced properly. Wstaffor 22:00, 18 April 2006 (UTC)

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