Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Charla and Mirna (2nd nomination)

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was no consensus to delete. Redirecting doesn't require an AFD W.marsh 19:09, 7 October 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Charla and Mirna

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Article about two Amazing Race contestants as a team.

Not worthy of a separate article, if these people were so notable they would surely deserve their own separate entry for each person. All of the information on the page is already covered in The Amazing Race 5 contestants, and as there is no significantly new information on their page, Charla and Mirna are not worthy of their own article.

The article has been nominated for deletion before, but the entire discussion basically consisted of WP:ITSNOTABLE without any reason or elaboration. I suggest this be redirected to The Amazing Race 5 contestants. Hoogiman 09:34, 28 September 2007 (UTC)

• Delete but ensure that whichever season of the programme is relevant (seasons 5 and 10?) contains their names. This doesn't meet the notability requirements for reality-show contestants, in that these people have not won a season's competition, or become notable for some activity outside the programme, or have appeared on two different programs, etc. Accounting4Taste 17:23, 28 September 2007 (UTC)
  • Comment I should have been more clear. These two have not appeared on two different programs such as "Survivor'" and "Amazing Race" -- like Rob and Amber, upon whom this does confer notability. Appearing on two different seasons of "Amazing Race" does not confer notability if Charla and Mirna didn't win in either instance, at least that's how I read the policy. Accounting4Taste 17:37, 28 September 2007 (UTC)
• Redirect to The Amazing Race 5 contestants. They are not notable for anything else. --Sc straker 14:45, 29 September 2007 (UTC)
• Keep, this alrady passed on AfD less than a year ago as a keep (not even a no consensus, or merge and redirect without deleting as suggested above. Sincerely, --Le Grand Roi des Citrouilles^Tally-ho! 17:39, 29 September 2007 (UTC)
  • Comment This only passed AFD because the keep votes were WP:ITSNOTABLE without any reason or elaboration. As you can see, your vote is as vague as the votes on the last AFD, so why should this article be kept? Hoogiman 00:15, 30 September 2007 (UTC)
• keep due to "consensus keep" earlier this year. They have been on more than one AR season, and I believe as individuals, more than one reality show (according to my quick read of last AfD). Still notable. R. Baley 21:39, 30 September 2007 (UTC)
  • Comment WP:NOTAGAIN, there are several issues addressed here that have not been addressed in the previous discussion. The only other assertions of notability in the article were: one had a guest appearance on one episode of a Celebrity Poker Challenge and one went on a few episodes of a Celebrity Challenge program on a cable network. An appearance on one of those programs alone is definitely not enough to assert notability. These subjects did not appear in any more major reality TV shows, nor have any of them won individually any show. The last AFD discussion failed to assert notability, with one exception, a comment of WP:GHITS. Can you say anything else to actually assert real notability towards the subjects of the article? Hoogiman 23:09, 30 September 2007 (UTC)
• Redirect per Sc straker. Tiptopper 09:52, 2 October 2007 (UTC)
• Redirect Charla and Mirna, are, I believe, only notable for Charla being the only Amazing Race contestant with dwarfism. It is quite frankly condescending to give them an article constantly praising the team, as while they did race well on occasions, they were definitely not outstanding in any way. Redirect to Amazing Race 5 contestants, they are not deserving of their own article. User:IStalkKirby 13:06, 7 October 2007

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.