Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Characters of Oblivion

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The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was delete. and yes lack of sources are a reason for deleting an article, if non can be found, no sources were found during this debate, I'll undelete if Reliable sources, indpendent, non-trivial sources could be found Secret account 23:18, 8 December 2007 (UTC)

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This article asserts no notability through reliable independent sources, and as such is just an in-universe repetition of plot elements from the Elder Scrolls games. As Wikipedia is not a gameguide, and this is all duplicative, this can be safely deleted. Judgesurreal777 (talk) 23:08, 29 November 2007 (UTC)

  • delete WP is not a game guide. This article is all "in universe" meaning that there is no content what-so-ever which might be of any use or interest, or encyclopedic value to someone in *this* universe. The Elder Scrolls wiki has a total of 9,663 articles, it seems that a large proportion of them are also over here. Those few that have encyclopedic content, meeting WP:N using WP:RS and are written with reference to meaning in this universe, ought to be kept. The others (such as this one) that are simply game cruft ought to be over there where WP:N does not apply. Pete.Hurd (talk) 23:33, 29 November 2007 (UTC)
  • Delete fails WP:FICT by a long way. RMHED (talk) 00:34, 30 November 2007 (UTC)
  • Keep Articles about the characters in notable video games are pretty standard fodder for Wikipedia. —dv82matt 14:50, 30 November 2007 (UTC)
But that doesn't make them notable. Judgesurreal777 16:30, 30 November 2007 (UTC)
Tomato, tomahto the game is notable. An article about the characters of a game is really an article about that particular aspect of the game itself. Not all notable subjects can be adequately covered in a single article. Many, many articles of popular games or other media have related character articles. —dv82matt 17:02, 30 November 2007 (UTC)
  • Delete per WP:Fict. Gtstricky 15:45, 30 November 2007 (UTC)
  • comment would Pete and the nom care to explain why this particular article fits their description? What they say could be applied equally to any article, good or bad. DGG (talk) 02:31, 1 December 2007 (UTC)
I'm sorry but your rationale is completely inaccurate. Look at any Featured fictional topic, Jabba the Hutt, Jack Sparrow, Master Chief (Halo), and you will discover ample proof of notability from reliable sources, and vast amounts of material duplicated no where on Wikipedia. If this article cannot rise to such a standard, it should be deleted.

Judgesurreal777 21:46, 1 December 2007 (UTC)

I wasn't giving a rationale, but asking for one, as I saw none applicable to the article. The argument above is that unless its an FA, it cant be kept. That's not our policy. DGG (talk) 00:55, 6 December 2007 (UTC)
  • Delete however those are main and special characters. Articles like these just list characters. Marlith T/C 05:09, 4 December 2007 (UTC)
  • Keep on the basis of no articulated specific objections to the article. DGG (talk) 00:55, 6 December 2007 (UTC)
  • Keep - I'm certain that reputable sources could be found to assert notability, especially given the presence of voice actors like Patrick Stewart and Sean Bean. I see no reason this article can't be cleaned up while articles such as Characters in Castlevania: Sorrow series or Characters of Kingdom Hearts are able to not only assert notability, but also achieve GA and FA status respectively. Sephiroth BCR (Converse) 19:39, 6 December 2007 (UTC)
But that's the whole question, and we can't guess at it, so if you do think there are some, please post some here so we can establish notability and withdraw the nomination. Judgesurreal777 (talk) 23:44, 7 December 2007 (UTC)
  • Keep - meets WP:FICT. Features Sean Bean, Terrence Stamp. Sources are available. User:Krator (t c) 20:32, 6 December 2007 (UTC)
Please post them here so we can establish that so we can withdraw this deletion. Judgesurreal777 (talk) 21:32, 6 December 2007 (UTC)
  • Keep per Sephiroth. The article should be improved with better sourcing, but lack of sources is a reason to clean up an article, not to delete it. There is ample precedent for "Characters of ..." articles for video games. -- Exitmoose (talk) 03:41, 7 December 2007 (UTC)
  • Delete as Wikipedia is not a game guide. "ample precendent' is not a valid arguement, per WP:OTHERSTUFF. Epthorn (talk) 08:11, 8 December 2007 (UTC)


The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.