Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Chantal Jones

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The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was delete as not notable -- runner-ups in reality shows generally do not get a WP page without doing more than just an appearance on TV -- and no reliable sources or even any proof about any accomplishments that would make the subject notable. Bearian (talk) 18:49, 14 December 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Chantal Jones

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Non-notable reality TV contestant. Eatcacti (talk) 21:48, 7 December 2007 (UTC)

  • Delete per nom. LonelyBeacon (talk) 01:53, 8 December 2007 (UTC)
  • Merge with America's Next Top Model. Because she won the season, she has some notability, but not enough to warrant her own article. TGreenburgPR (talk) 05:15, 8 December 2007 (UTC)
    • I think that's a good idea. Redirecting the page will help prevent the usual creation/deletion cycle ANTM contestants go through. (Though I will point out that there's no proof she actually has won, since the show hasn't aired yet. There are rumors going out that each of the other contestants has won as well.) Eatcacti (talk) 11:41, 8 December 2007 (UTC)
  • Delete If she goes on and makes a name for herself, sure, but as yet her only claim of notability is a reality show - and she hasn't even won yet. •97198 talk 01:36, 12 December 2007 (UTC)
  • Rewrite This is way too subjective. It's written in a completely egotistical sense - i.e. "However, due to the conflict between Jay Manuel and the photographer, Chantal dropped that week to the bottom three." This is written like it is all Jay Manuel and the photographer's faults. And the rest of this is too positive - not neutral. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 60.242.198.175 (talk)
    • I think the page is very detail in presenting Chantal Jones, I think we should keep it.Billy102694 (talk)18:24, 11 December 2007 (UTC)

04:30, 12 December 2007 (UTC)

  • Keep If you delete her page, you should probably delete all the other runners up as well. Half of them haven't done anything. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.202.96.56 (talk) 04:45, 13 December 2007 (UTC)
  • Weak Delete It's likely she'll now receive more press and notability as a runner up, but as per 97198, in the future if she gains additional notability from her career then this article could be revived. • Owlmonkey (talk) 05:49, 13 December 2007 (UTC)
  • Delete Nothing special or notable apart from coming second. --AussieJess talk —Preceding comment was added at 08:46, 13 December 2007 (UTC)
  • Keep Chantal is just as significant as the other second place contestants, all of whom have webpages, and certainly as significant as Heather Kuzmich who was eliminated earlier in the cycle. 12.202.55.143 (talk) 09:14, 13 December 2007 (UTC)
    • comment Kahlen Rondot was 2nd place in season 4; she does not have a page.User:Mojojojo69 11:35, 13 December 2007 (UTC)
      • Yes, but as I said above Heather Kuzmich, who only came in 5th, has a page that the consensus was that it shouldn't be deleted. I think it is only reasonable that the same standard be applied to Chatntal's page, and even more so, since the likelihood is that she will have a far greater future significance than heather. - 12.202.55.143 (talk) 21:47, 13 December 2007 (UTC)
        • The consensus was that Heather Kuzmich was notable and passed WP:BIO. She is not notable just because she came in 5th place, but because of the press coverage she has received. Similarly, Chantal is not notable just because she came in 2nd place. Eatcacti (talk) 22:07, 13 December 2007 (UTC)
  • Delete There is no significant data/information for her to have a page, other than the fact that she was 2nd place. However, i dont think that warrants a page on its own. She hasnt gotten any modeling gigs.User:Mojojojo69 11:27, 13 December 2007 (UTC)
  • Delete not notable enough yet.--Sandahl 19:32, 13 December 2007 (UTC)


KEEP! Chantal is amazing, and she is a true top model! She doesn't deserved to be deleted. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Eggs123 (talk • contribs) 21:56, 13 December 2007 (UTC)

STRONG KEEP This article is about a person who has national noteriety. There are many such articles about individuls with less noteriety, that have been deemed worthy of rentention, and have survived nomination for deleteion. Standards should applied equally. If Chantal deserves to be deleted, then EVERYONE who is of only equal noteriety also should be deleted. 63.206.206.254 (talk) 22:35, 13 December 2007 (UTC)

  • Comment - Mel Rose, runner up for the 7th cycle's page was created right after the finale aired. Of course, it was nominated for deletion, and what not. Before the show, Mel Rose was semi-notable in San Francisco as a fashion designer. It was decided that her page be redirected into the cycle page. After the show, she was signed for Storm and is now notable and has her own page. Similarly, Kahlen Rondot, runner-up for Cycle 4 hasn't done any thing notable after the show, and therefore doesn't have a page. If Chantal gains notoriety after the show ends, than her page can always be created. With her attitude and drive, it wouldn't suprise me that she'll get one someday. But right now, she just doesn't meet the criteria. :(. -theblueflamingoSquawk 22:45, 13 December 2007 (UTC)
    • Comment WP:OTHERCRAPEXISTS is not a valid argument user:mojojojo69 16:24, 13 December 2007 (UTC)
  • Strong delete per nom.--Sugarcubez (talk) 23:07, 13 December 2007 (UTC)
  • Keep! Chantal is simply amazing, and she is on her way to stardome.
  • Keep! She is going to be the most succesful girl ever from ANTM
  • Keep Since all other Runners Up have them she should to especially with the controversy surrounding Saleshia's win —Preceding unsigned comment added by Paddyirl (talk • contribs) 00:02, 14 December 2007 (UTC)
  • Keep Because the other reality show runnerups have their own pages, there's no reason to delete this one unless every single reality show page is breaking policy. Rebochan (talk) 00:05, 14 December 2007 (UTC)
    • Comment WP:OTHERCRAPEXISTS is not a valid argument user:mojojojo69 16:24, 13 December 2007 (UTC)
      • This isn't a case of WP:OTHERCRAPEXISTS. The WP:OTHERCRAPEXISTS policy assumes that other crap exists, because no one challenges it. We aren't comparing this article to unchallenged articles, we are comparing it to articles that were challenged and kept. -12.202.55.143 (talk) 00:33, 14 December 2007 (UTC)
        • Can you give a concrete example of another ANTM contestant that has done nothing other than appear on the show who has an article all to herself? Chantal has literally done nothing other than appear on the show. All of the other contestants who have their own articles have done something else or have received significant press coverage. See Lisa D'Amato, for example, who came in sixth but has her own article because she has done other things than appear on the show. That is why those articles were kept. I'm not saying that Chantal will never become notable as coming in second on ANTM can certainly be a stepping stone to a successful career. But at this point, she just isn't. Eatcacti (talk) 01:44, 14 December 2007 (UTC)

Keep no reason to delete —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.183.130.91 (talk) 01:03, 14 December 2007 (UTC)

please keep this article. you have one for heather, even though she didnt even make it that far. keeppp —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.124.153.111 (talk) 01:28, 14 December 2007 (UTC)

please remove as she is not the winner and there is;t much to talk about her since all we know was she is a runner-up. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 99.244.141.181 (talk) 02:49, 14 December 2007 (UTC)

Keep-There's no reason why her page should be deleted. So she's not the best and a runner up, but that doesn't mean her page should be deleted because of those reasons.

Delete - After few mouths, she will be forgotten. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 59.149.174.29 (talk) 05:11, 14 December 2007 (UTC)

Keep!the other runner ups have one, and so does heatherJollyphunkster (talk) 02:44, 14 December 2007 (UTC)

    • comment Kahlen Rondot was 2nd place in season 4 and she does not have a page; Heather has a page due to her contribution with AS.User:Mojojojo69 9:35, 14 December 2007 (UTC)
The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.