Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Chang Tsi

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The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was KEEP. -Splash - tk 22:54, 15 April 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Chang Tsi

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Effectively an unsourced article since the source relied on provides insufficient information as to this person's identity (and given that, the person, if he existed, cannot really be referred to as a "famous" poet). Delete unless more information as to identify is provided. --Nlu (talk) 22:54, 3 April 2007 (UTC)

  • Uncertain: From Chinesw wikipedia:

天寶十二載（753年）進士，曾任檢校祠部員外郎、洪州鹽鐵判官。大歷末（779年），伉儷歿於洪州[1]。有《張祠部詩集》。在唐代詩人中，張繼不算大家，也不是名家，宋人葉夢得《石林詩話》記載其詩在南宋時僅存三十多首。《全唐詩》中，只存四十餘首。《楓橋夜泊》是他最著名的詩，作於天寶十五載流寓蘇州時，这首诗首先被选入高仲武編選的《中兴间气集》，後又選入《唐诗三百首》。高仲武評張繼詩：「員外累代詞伯，積習弓裘。其於為文，不自雕飾。及爾登第，秀發當時。詩體清迥，有道者風。」「比興深矣。」其事蹟見於辛文房《唐才子傳》。 According to this, he became a scholar in 753. In terms of Tang poet, He is not a huge poet; Record show that he only have 30 poems left by Song dynasty, while The "Complete Poem Collection of Tang" he only contributed 40. However, he did contributed<<楓橋夜泊>>, which is collected in the "300 Tang Poems", and most famous chinese poem anthology. 142.58.101.27 00:52, 4 April 2007 (UTC)

  • Delete - No assertion of notablity.--Bryson{Talk}{Edits} 02:38, 4 April 2007 (UTC)
  • Expert opinion needed In the view of those who understand its significance, is any poet with a poem in the 300 Tang Poems notable?DGG 04:02, 4 April 2007 (UTC)
    • Well, I know Li Bai's poem is there... can someone check? 142.58.101.27 04:46, 4 April 2007 (UTC)
    • My opinion is that not all poets who had a poem in there qualifies. The problem with this article, again, though, is that it doesn't establish which Chinese poet the name "Chang Tsi" corresponds to. --Nlu (talk) 05:34, 4 April 2007 (UTC)
      • Well, the people at the relevent national WikiProject are probably more likely to be able to figure this out than a bunch of random AfD voters cab 09:32, 4 April 2007 (UTC)
  • Note: This debate has been included in the list of China-related deletions. cab 09:32, 4 April 2007 (UTC)
 Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so that consensus may be reached
 Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, If you have any questions, please contact me at my talk page. Ian Manka 06:04, 9 April 2007 (UTC)

I, too am also unsure of his importance. I'm adding the "expert" template to see if we can get some help on this one. In the meantime, I'm relisting the discussion to see what other users think. If you have any questions, please contact me at my talk page. Ian Manka 06:04, 9 April 2007 (UTC)

  • Keep. I added a reference for the Mahler connection, which IMO is enough to make him notable from a Western POV. There is ample room for further improvement. I am not an expert in Chinese literature, but "The 300 T'ang Poems" is arguably the most famous and most "classic" anthology of Chinese poetry. I would keep him based on that alone. Stammer 15:55, 9 April 2007 (UTC)
OK, it appears that we have stumbled upon a scholarly hornet's nest. See this reference, which I have also added to the article. Stammer 17:05, 9 April 2007 (UTC)
  • Keep. Although I lack the expertise to determine if the article can ever be much more than the stub it is now, the assertions of notability that is does contain are sufficient and properly sourced. -- Satori Son 17:42, 9 April 2007 (UTC)
  • Keep per Stammer and Satori Son. The Mahler is one of the best known Western uses of Chinese poetry. Johnbod 17:02, 10 April 2007 (UTC)
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